Sawyer, just cant do right
This last few episodes with the wonderful storyline knocked me off track a little. Trying to tie down the pregnancy issues again. Worry about Egypt and statues later. We see “Lafleur”, because Sawyer reminds me of a flower…save the life of Amy and an unnamed baby. But we see Paul die. If you havent been following my pregnancy theories, go and read “Y:the last man” and “conceiving” to catch my direction. ” A blank page” may even help. I have been trying to uncover the cure of the pregnancy issues, and we may have just witnessed the cause.
There is much talk on “course correction”. This may be a sort of backwards idea than once thought. It seems as if many have seen the death of the children/mother on the island as a course correction of some sort. I think I may have figured something out.
When Sawyer saved Amy and the unknown child, he did something…terrible? He may very well have caused the pregnancy issues on the island to begin. And Juliet, ironically enough, was sent to the island to fix things, may have been the one to deliver the last normal island birth.
Yes, we see her worried sick about the whole deal, dramatic, crying tears of joy, but wait.
Richards neglagence, in allowing others to live on..the “others” island may have let this happen.
When the others are going to shoot Amy, I think they are suppoed to shoot Amy. If the child exists, it throws off the course of the universe. This was not supposed to happen, Locke would be screaming by now. By this baby being born when it wasnt supposed to, may have caused all of the mothers of the island to be doomed. It wouldnt necessarily be a paradox, but more of a cause/effect issue.
Because Amy is killed, certain people/events would not exist on/in the island/world/universe.
By Sawyer allowing the existence of this child and mother, the universe course corrects so that it may never happen again.
I dont know how on point I am with this, but I do think Sawyer saving the day today, may have doomed tomorrow.
I think there was a movie where something like this happened. Something Monkeys. A guy is sent back in time to find out why something bad started, and it turns out that him being sent back in time is was cause the bad thing to start.
I cant say I agree all the way on this one just because there was a three year perod in between Sawyer saving her and Her having a baby. Seems like could have been correction during this time. But it could very well be true nice catch.
I like this outside the box creativity not just following the herd type of thinking. Keep up the opened mind.
12 MONKEYS. Brad Pitt, Bruce Willis. Great flick. Hmm, involved timetravel, flashbacks, end of the world prophesies, disease, good catch.
I thought about the gap. The doctor does mention something to Sawyer regarding women genrally being taken off island for childbirth, so that may cover why this was not a concern for Horace or Amy.
They say she is 2 weeks early, if I remember correctly.
You would think if childbirth was an issue, and there was a way off the island, Amy would have been long gone.
AES, I love this theory!
It’s called ’cause and effect’.
They have indeed altered the course of events, as I predicted they would.
Immediately before the sequence where Sawyer saves the woman was yet another line from Farraday “What every happened, already happened, and cannot be changed” (paraphrased slightly I’m sure). So either Sawyer was supposed to save her, or he wasn’t. If he wasn’t, and she was “supposed to die”, then that would mean that her child were to never exist in the first place, creating one hell of an issue in the worlds timeline.
Until that child dies the baby problem exists … wonder who the lucky person is. For fun, and heightened show intrigue it should be Ben. A man who desperately wants a child but cannot, since he was never supposed to exist. So he steals children. Has Sayid kill people because he cannot directly influence a world he does not exist in. I could go on, but they have shown Ben’s birth correct? If you go by Ben he was born on the island, and taught to read by his mother. Is he a liar or am I too carried away and giddy with something that isn’t possible? I mean he has for the most part done very little to directly affect the world, but generally uses people to indirectly influence the world right? Ah someone prove me wrong before I think about this for days.
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But didn’t we see Ben’s birth where his mom dies in a forest outside of Portland, right? We saw Ben arrive on the island with his dad.
(And given that I was born in 1978, I am thinking Ben looks a little old for a thirty year old.)
Interesting main point thought about “until that child dies the baby problem exists…”
AES. I REALLY like how you take the issues we see and mix them up to come up with a new equation. Very good approach to figuring out the show!
I was always of the mindset that Desmond’s work in the hatch saving the world was really resetting the island in a time loop of sorts, keeping the island replaying in the same 108 minutes… unbeknownst to Ben that he was working in the hatch. This time looping could have conceivably caused a problem with pregnancies on the island in some way. Just kind of a misconception of mine about the whole situation. Anyone else ever consider that or am I way off base here?
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HugoLocke, thats precisely what I’ve thought the Hatch was for. Although I think that it went further back than 108 minutes to replay at a time, but I do agree. I wonder if it were possible for someone to be there that long without knowledge of Ben.
And Kimberly I know Ben’s birth was shown in Portland. It would just be more fun for me if it were Ben who was born within this theory. It just seems odd to me that Ben seems to usually manipulate people to do what he wants, without ever really do anything himself. Can very easily be explained by his crazed personality I suppose.
locke would be ok with this. he killed people in the past…
I don’t think time problems have anything to do with the pregnancy issues… it doesn’t make any sense in my opinion. So babies can’t be born on the island… why would course correction kill the child and the mother? Seems to me that someone gets pregnant and having the kid causes some sort of problem or paradox (because it isn’t supposed to exist) then wouldn’t killing the mother also cause a paradox? She’s not supposed to die but she does anyway.
If it were a time/paradox issue then mothers would just be unable to get pregnant.
another fantastic piece of reseach AES!
Hi A.E.S.
Why are you so certain that they were going to kill Amy? They put a bag on her head which would lead me to believe they were going to secretly take her somewhere (maybe to the temple). They killed Paul, there was no bag on his head.
That is a good question username. For one, when they have the bag over her head, it does not seem as if they are taking her anywhere. Secondly, they killed Paul, maybe doesnt say that they were going to kill her, but at least shows their seriousness.
Just their actions and demaenor wasnt as if they were taking her. Richard seemed, not necessarily mad or upset when Sawyer said what had transpired. BTW, I loved that scene, the whole thing, one of my new favorites. But he seemed surprised, even if just a little. I think that if they were taking her, Richard if anyone would have been aware.
And lastly, if a tree falls in the woods and noone is around, does it make a sound?
Im not sure, but what I am sure of, is that there is NO reason to hold a gun to the head of a blinded woman. There is no fear factor, no threatening motive, if she cant see it.
You pose a good question username, and i am not “certain”, but I am about 99% sure from body language, demeanor, and well, that last tidbit about the gun to the head of the blind.
AES, brilliant analogy on ‘the others’ in the Amy and Paul scene!
When I viewed the episode, I didn’t get the impression, the two ‘others’ were taking her back to sit around their campfire, singing ‘kumbaya’. lol