Our Mutual Friend… ‘Oedipus’
“Laius hears a prophecy that his son will kill him and marry his wife. Fearing the prophecy, Laius pierces Oedipus’ feet and leaves him out to die, but a herdsman finds him and takes him away from Thebes. Oedipus, not knowing he was adopted, leaves home in fear of the same prophecy that he would kill his father and marry his mother. Laius, meanwhile, ventures out to find a solution to the Sphinx’s riddle. As prophesied, Oedipus crossed paths with Laius and this leads to a fight where Oedipus slays Laius. Oedipus then defeats the Sphinx by solving a mysterious riddle to become king. He marries the widow queen Jocasta not knowing she is his mother.”
Ok, I am using this as an example of predestination paradox…thank you google gods.
Dabs, Kim, and I were talking over on Dabs Ilana post, and I came up with the notion, that it was not the site of the child that made Ben freeze, and not shoot Penny, it was the name of the child.
When he heard her say Charlie, he realizes she is lying about having no connections to her father, because she named her after him’when actually, its after Charlie Pace.
But then, the twisted paradoxal side of my mind kicks in, and makes me remember an earlier idea I threw around, that Charlie, Desmonds son..Pennys son, grows up in the past on island to become Charles Widmore’but that is rediculus’isnt it?
Either way, the name seemed to be what stopped Ben in his tracks, at least from my perspective’.
So I add that Ben may or may not Kill Penny. I think he does, for two reasons.
My old, that Charles and Des will reunite to bring Penny to the island for resurection…but then when I think about this…
What if he just goes alone…well, him, his dead (or possibly alive, I know some are not a fan of her death, but it just makes sense) wife, and his son ,Charlie…which I presume is short for Charles.
The end up in a past time, before the Dhama initiative, and before the losties were there…but the others were there.
And in others fashion, maybe there was always a baby thief among them…or maybe Richard Alpert was informed somehow of his importance, ala John and possibly Ben.
Meaning John told Alpert about himself, (predestination paradox) which in turn, caused Richard to follow John through life, waiting for the right time.
And I am assuming Ben in some way, informs Richard of himself, possibly during the same timeperiod that Charles is given to Richard, or taken from Des, however this would go down.
Now, We have Ben causing Charles to be there, by not just killing him.
We have John causing himself to be there. We have Charles being a player in Ben being an other. We have Penny, birthing her own father, and Charles, being the son to his own daughter.
Kim pointed out Charles not going to LA to protect Penny himself, because he knows he couldnt come into contact with his grandson…who is himself…wow, I cannot wait for responses on this…
I dont know. I think this is kind of nuts, and I am fully understanding that it is going to be shot down by many, but just think about all the things we have seen so far, and ask yourself why not?
You presented it well AES. I was being juvenile over their on Dabs’ post, but have taken a break and am on track now.
You have almost sold me, and I think the “why not” is a great question.
That would be television-show-ish now wouldn’t it?
Here is a thought that came to me while reading this – it is kind of off track, maybe….
Something you said reminded me of another Bible story.
King Herod heard a little prophecy once about a coming king. In his insecurities, he ordered the death of all boys under the age of 2, in the hopes of stopping the fulfillment of the prophecy.
Well, Jesus made it, despite Herod’s attempts.
For some reason this is coming to mind – maybe because Charles’ orders to kill the children has to do with this sort of hope to prevent certain people from being born.
I’m thinking…
Okay, normally I would start out by saying that I really love this theory, but this time, all I can say is, wow!
I recall our discussion from early on in the season, and I was very open to this idea. As the show progressed with so many of the time elements, these thoughts were put on the back burner.
You have to be right about this, because of Ben’s reaction, first off. And, lastly because it makes sense. Forget about the paradoxes, etc., because this is the ‘grandaddy’ of them all.
If, this plays out the way in which you say, and they all go back to ‘the island’, it would make sense this is how it oculd occur.
This is what was missing in our earlier discussions. Now, it all makes sense. Forget the reincarnation stuff, this is what it is!
Your last paragraph sold me!
Fantastic!
kimberly, we were simoposting! This is the exact conversation we had previously. deja-vu moment.
I mentioned King Herod, and now you have just sewn it all up! makes good sense!
I went cross eyed typing that last paragraph…I couldnt bear to read it before I posted, am am actually suprised it makes sense…but I actually think it does…lol.
Im glad you two like this, at least I have time to enjoy it…before I have to fight for it tomorrow…I think Ill stick with this until it is proven wrong.
Ohhh, speaking of sticking with things until they are proven wrong…I would like to announce, I was all but PROVEN wrong about Thomas being Ben…
After seeing a ‘middle’ Ben last episode, I have come to the conclusion, that I am in fact wrong…
Also, one theory that wont be proven wrong…highbrow…is going to hate this.
Oh my god…I have to change the title…see if you girls caught this last night…
AES, I think you did a very good job at presenting this. The thought process and the way its written is very cohesive.
I know this, because I am so tired myself, that I would not be able to comprehend too much if it weren’t. lol
Much better title!
AES, I honestly don’t want to be a party-pooper, but I must turn in for the night.
I am betting that kimberly is typing out a comment right now!
I will be back for the early edition tomorrow! Unless, for some reason I can’t sleep once I get into bed!
That happens here often…good night…that is if we dont hear from you again in ten minutes…lol
I may be going to rest as well…long day…Im going to try to tough another few minutes
Wouldnt his name be charlie hume? and not charles widmore…just a thought
OH MY.
Yes, the Our Mutual Friend conundrum reference. I was WAITING For someone to bring that up. Sorry it took me a minute to get back here…I’m working from home, too…
Niiiiiiice!
They could name him Charlie Hume, but just as easily Charles Widmore…that’s what makes it so strangely possible.
AES, did we figure a few things out tonight or what?
I don’t even remember the Herod conversation on this subject earlier. I don’t even know if I remember this subject earlier…it feels slightly familiar, but not enough.
This is a good theory. People need to be shaken up and tell their friends who are ‘casual’ viewers and get their opinions. It could blow up that you’ve caught on and then what will the producers do? 😉
Henry…If Charles was taken as a child, and told by Ben or someone else, that his name was Widmore, it would make it a little more interesting. Ben, or Desmond, whoever, an enemy of Charles, created him in many ways.
Think about Dan and Eloise. They know they are related, but have different names.
I just think the addition of another Charlie is unneccesary, and odd.
Unless it was going to mean something…
Well dan and eloise have different names bc his faterhs name is faraday?…..i just cant see this happening
Either gasp “Oh know, that Abbotehnenjshwrschind guy figured us out”, or the more likely scenario that occures upon them reading this…”lolololololol”
Anyways i jsut watched Wolverine and there are 2 Lost characters as mutants!
You dont have to, makes it more fun when Im right….How do we know Dans fathers name is Faraday anyways?
Speaking of “Our Mutual Friend”…it seems the Lost writers have a bond with this book…Is it not strangely reminicent of the Gary Troupe “Bad Twin” book…in that twisted Lost kind of way?
At least, what they originally wanted the book to be?
I think just reading about the book was enough to know how/why the Lost writers would have to use it. I love that even the name, the saying “our mutual friend” isn’t proper English and all that kind of weird repetitive, nonsensical statement type of stuff that they like…
Whatever happened, happened.
Thanks Yogi.
A.E.S.
Wow…love it, love it, love it…..
theres too much to read dont know if this is said. lapidus looks like laius. lol
Sorry random…
So does a middle aged Widmore, no?
Yogi…Ha!
Penny is not her own grandmother. Please tell me I misunderstood you and that you’re not saying that Penny is her own grandmother.
I missed so much of the conversation I’m just going to start commenting on a bunch of stuff.
I like the idea of Charles Widmore coming to Desmond for help. I think now that Ben has come around shooting people and threatening his family Widmore might have an in… “Help me track down Ben before he comes back to kill your wife again”…
Penny is alive. Ben isn’t going to pop out of the water like Rambo with a couple .50 cals and blow everyone away. The confrontation ended. Penny was alive. Desmond was shot but not dead.
I think that Ben does have a soft spot for children and I think it comes from his own childhood. Maybe he just realizes how hard it can be to be a kid and he takes pitty on them. I don’t think it’s been the Other M.O. all along to take kids. Ben’s mission when he took Alex had nothing to do with Alex… Seems Charles didn’t even know she existed. We’ve seen Ben react this way twice. Both times he was on a mission to kill a woman and both times he was stopped in his tracks when he saw a kid. Interestingly, this same thing has happened to Sawyer and I think that there is something to the two of them reacting the same way.
Oh, the predestination paradox. We have seen some cases on the show where it could be speculated that this kind of paradox has taken place but as I’ve said before, it’s so easy to explain this away that I doubt it will become and issue. Penny being her own grandmother is a good example. The explanation? She isn’t. Locke makes himself the leader of the Others by telling Richard in 1954 that he is? Locke was told that he would be when he looked into the eye of the island.
yeah…but you know me, always have to find the most difficult way possible to explain everything…and I figure if a true reincarnation idea comes into play…why not?
..and if not…then i am wrong..so be it…
The most difficult way is usually the most fun… at least with the show. I’m just here to rain on the parade…
On highbrow’s note, it’s interesting that in order for Locke to join the others (back in the day) Ben demanded Locke to kill his father and that it had to be done to prove he was ready, when even Ben himself has a “weakness” in terms of being able to kill without conscience.
Other balances of tension between Ben and Locke. Ben has always sought power and exercised it, I believe even without the authority from Jacob. Locke, on the other hand, seems to be chosen by the island and have some subconscious knowledge of it, so by either determination or predestination, he naturally rises to power with Jacob’s authority. At first it seemed that Ben knew exactly what the island wanted, and Locke was out of the loop, but trying to get in. Now we see that reversed.
Other characters carry the same theme – Jack and Sawyer, for example. Sawyer, at first, makes enemies easily and tends to mess up the plans. Jack was a natural leader that everyone liked, and made the plans. Now we see this completely reversed as well.
Juliet always wanted Jack’s affection, but knew it lay with Kate. Kate loved Sawyer, but always pined after Jack in the end. Now we see this completely reversed. Juliet loves Sawyer, Jack pines after Kate, and no one likes Jack.
Maybe these are evidences of a reversal of magnetic charges on the island created by the fdw?
sorry if that’s already been brought up.
Yeah, I forcasted stormy weather from you on this one in my first comment…all good…
least you admit it is fun.
I dont know if Ill be correct, I just think that if they decide to add some other twist, like last season when the island did indeed move, and timetravel…something like this may be a possible next step.
So just to be clear. You are saying that Penny is her own grandmother.
…Saying that if Lost goes a more paradoxal road…yes, it is a possiblity.
If it does not, and the producers were not BSing us…then obviously it is incorrect.
I just think that if paradoxs do end up coming to play, this would make a lot of sense..
Much of this comes back to Johns drawing as smokie as a child.
I cannot help but tinker with the idea of reincarnation…
Oh yeah, that would make Charles his own grandson/grandfather as well, if you arent laughing enough, lol
Ok. Just so I know what you’re saying.
Somehow Charles Widmore not only survived but seems not to exhibit any of the horrifying genetic defects he should probably be suffering if is daughter is also his grandmother.
…yeah, why not…
I think Charles should look more like the Toxic Avenger than the dashing man we saw ride up on a horse in Dead is Dead.
Oh, many, many years ago
When I was twenty-three
I was married to a widow
Who was pretty as can be
This widow had a grown-up daughter
Who had hair of red
My father fell in love with her
And soon the two were wed
This made my dad my son-in-law
And changed my very life
For my daughter was my mother
‘Cause she was my father’s wife
To complicate the matter
Though it really brought me joy
I soon became the father
Of a bouncing baby boy
This little baby then became
A brother-in-law to Dad
And so became my uncle
Though it made me very sad
For if he was my uncle
Then that also made him brother
Of the widow’s grown-up daughter
WHo of course is my step-mother
Chorus
I’m my own grandpa
I’m my own grandpa
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
Oh, I’m my own grandpa
My father’s wife then had a son
Who kept them on the run
And he became my grandchild
For he was my daughter’s son
My wife is now my mother’s mother
And it makes me blue
Because although she is my wife
She’s my grandmother too
Now if my wife is my grandmother
Then I’m her grandchild
And every time I think of it
It nearly drives me wild
For now I have become
The strangest case you ever saw
As husband of my grandma
I am my own grandpa
This is a copy and paste job. From the movie “The Stupids”.
Well, I see that the two of you are having the ‘paradox’ discussion. I’m glad you are, because that really makes my head spin!
I have something else to throw into this conversation for you to entertain, AES.
We don’t know the reason why ‘the others’ are no longer able to reproduce their own children, and for your theory please set that aside for the moment.
We are fairly certain that Christian Shepherd has former ties to ‘the island, but don’t know if he is an ‘other’ or Dharma. We know Charles Widmore has ties to ‘the island’, and we are not sure about Sun’s father, meaning, whether or not he is her biological father, and if he is tied to ‘the island’, somehow.
Please keep in mind, that there are ‘others’ who work, off of ‘the island’ as well.
The women who have successfully given birth are the daughters of Widmore and Shepherd and Sun’s father.
Is there some possibility they were selected to give birth to continue the familial lineage? We don’t know anything about the lineage of Thomas, Jin, or Desmond.
I am doing a very poor job of articulating my thoughts on this, but I know you are clever enough to get my meaning. Is this relevant?
Are you saying that only rich people can father children on the island?
lol Now my head really did explode! Sorry, I asked that question? Please ignore my comment!
You’re saying that maybe only the men of certain families can father children on the island? I think that’s possible. But why Widmore? He doesn’t seem to have been any more special then Ben but Ben presumably can’t get father children on the island (Oh God, the visual of him trying is making me want to vomit)…
Okay, here is where I am going with this. Widmore fathered Penny off of ‘the island’. Christian fathered off of ‘the island’, if you follow my thinking.
We know Daniel Farraday’s mother is Ms. Hawking, but don’t have confirmed, Widmore is his father.
Have we ever SEEN any of ‘the others’ give birth? The answer is a resounding NO. What I am alluding to is, maybe they can’t amongst each other produce biological children, because they are either under the ‘time’ constrictions of ‘the island’, or they themselves are in an altered state. (not sure what I mean by that), but you get the idea.
Maybe that is what Ben was trying to do. Reproduce a line of true ‘others’ bloodline! Or something along those lines!
hmmm, I really do like the idea…but it kind of throws my idea that Jack is not capable of having a baby with Sarah out the window…
…but…I do think that there is something going on with babys not being able to be born due to the ‘c’ word…like as highbrow is saying…this is almost impossible.
But whatever the reason is, I have the damndest time believing that the island causes anything to happen…in terms of thoughts, or emotions…that nature…which leaves for me, the only other option being the purge being the cause.
But there, I find it difficult to swallow, because why at the time of Ethans birth, would the ‘doctor’ or whoever that was, say that women are generally taken off the island at birth…but, that could be because they are on an island…but i think they would have been able to provide the proper care…with the funding that they seem to have…
Well, regardless, I am going to stick with this for now…
When I said Ben was Thomas, people were back and forth depending on the episode structure. I stuck it out until last episode, when I was everything but proven wrong, and normally I DO learn from my mistakes, but…I just cannot help myself.
Sorry, I’m a little dense. What’s the ‘c’ word? Is it a dirty word?
I think they took them off the island so that they could receive the care they needed during delivery and afterwards. In case the was a problem. They proved to us that the DHARMA Initiative on the island does not have the ability to handle a complicated child birth. Judging from what we saw of the DI doctor I don’t think he could have handled even a normal child birth.
AES, I knew I was articulating this badly! This has nothing to do with Jack’s abilities to produce a child.
This is about their parents abilities! All we know is that the men, and I am talking ‘the others’ and not Dharma, have not produced together any biological children on ‘the island’ ever that we know about.
Ethan is born of Amy and Horace. One or both parents, Dharma, and as I mentioned with Claire, Penny and Sun, their parents are HALF others, and not full ‘others’.
I was actually writing this in support of your theory, and not to take from it. As I said, I articulated it badly and for that I apologize.
What I am attempting to say is, maybe the only way they can produce TRUE ‘others’ is by way of re-incarnating themselves through at least one familial part of their lineage.
Eg: Desmond & Penny = young Charlie = Charles Widmore!
If it still makes no sense, throw it out! lol I meant well.
You caused this word to be here by asking…”change”…just remember…you made me say it.
Really? You think that they are capable of all these other aspects of science….physics, zoology, etc…, all the Dharma stations, and you really dont think they could have brought in a couple of doctors?
I personally find it odd, that the one doctor that they have…is not there when Amy is about to pop. Yeah, she is two weeks early, but if there are really complications of that magnitude, wouldnt the DI leader Horaces, ensure his familys security?….I still find a soft spot there.
I agree, they could have doctors. But they don’t. Stupid hippies are probably into holistic medicine and whatnot. What they don’t seem to have that on top of medical specialists is facilities. They don’t have a hospital there on the island. It might be just more economical for them since they are already running the sub back and forth to use facilities in Tahiti…
No you didnt do anything…its highbrow, with his sense of realism and straightforeward thinking…making sense and all that…he throws me off.
I cant help but complicate things regularly here, sometimes by accident.
I am actually very confused by this whole thing…
It was just one of those things that I saw, when watching…Ben stops upon the name.
Then, I come on here, and read all the its because there was a child…I dont know, I just find it hard to believe that children are is weakness..unless there is omething they have not given us from his past that is vital….btw, where is Annie?
Well yes, there you go. There was Annie. She was a child. Maybe she died. There was also Ben himself. Mister Wonderful Childhood. Ben has reason to take pity on children. He has more reason to take pity on them then he has to kill them. Why else would he have taken Alex? He was all “yeah, Frenchy, you’re dead” then “Oh my, a baby.”… Sounds familiar. And not just from Ben. Sawyer has the same reaction when he’s conning those people. Why? Because of a trauma from his childhood.
Yeah, Im not an idiot…not saying that you are calling me one…or think it sometimes, but people who read one of my theories may very well think it.
I can go through and give a logical answer for most everything on the show…but as you said…this is much more fun.
You know I sit and wait for the twist, I always set myself up for dissapointment though, I dont go overboard by falling…I dive head first.
I wasn’t trying to imply that you were an idiot.
I think it’s the Jacob instead of the island that wants or needs certain things. I don’t think it’s necessarily fate or predetermination in all cases… maybe it’s just that Jacob is trying to accomplish something and it’s hard to keep all the pieces in line, doing what he needs them to be doing…
I’ll buy that, and I know you werent saying that in any way, just clarifying to anyone else.
I really think that the fate idea is the main antaginist in the story. Moreso than smokie, Jacob, Richard or Ben…but obviously these people play their roles. I say a lot of Jacob ideas, but I really have no idea…I have to go with Hanso, or possibly DeGroot…
Uhoh, gotta break for a few minutes…boxes arent going to make themselves.
Boxes huh… Geez, this office is a ghose town today. Everyone took the day off! It’s just me and one coworker… I swear, government workers…
A few random points for consideration – what’s to say Ethan wasn’t conceived off the island?
Also something stuck out in my head in a season 3 episode when someone possibly Richard says to Juliet that she had created life where it wasn’t supposed to be or something like that and that that was why they wanted her
I’m fairly sure the thing with not harning children is that it’s one of ‘the rules’ – children are all innocents and this is eluded to quite a lot in this series like when Juliet (who would know the rules) said that she wouldn’t let Ben die because he wasn’t Ben yet he was just a child (hadn’t lost his innocence) – the island seems to draw people to it who have lost their innocence in some way and I think that is a prerequisite of being an other (so that they can do what is necessary to protect the island) – immediate examples I can think of to support this are Eko killing the old man for his brother, Sayid killing the chicken for his brother and Locke having to kill his Dad to be accepted as an other but everyone on flight 815 had lost their innocence somehow in their previous lives
Idk just some thoughts
also it would make sense about the paradox because as Faraday says Desmond is uniquely and miraculously different so it could only be him that could have the paradoxical son that would turn out to be Charles but I don’t think this is the case don’t know why
A.E.S….I like this idea. What is your opinion of the following….the island seems to have a thing for leaders killing their fathers…does that mean that Widmore will have to kill Des?
…hmmm…
…i guess if that whole scenario comes back…the whole father murdering thing…
and I am correct…maybe…hmmm
Not going to lie Hurley…this theory only works if there is a major turn/twist, but if it does, then yeah, Ill definetly buy into that…would make sense.
Could explain how Chuck knows Des will never be a great man…
Missed some good conversations yesterday. I knew HB would have some rationalization as to why this won’t work. 😉
It is a stretch, but we did just watch a ‘smoke monster being thing’ come out of a vent and swirl around a man while flashes of his life appeared before him.
And we’ve watched an island skipping through temporal flashes and people go back 30 years in time…
And we’ve seen people’s brains explode from within…
And we’ve seen the same said smoke monster being take the form of both alive and dead people…
And we’ve seen Mr. Eyeliner with some ageless qualities…
So, maybe, it’s a stretch. But, maybe not.
😉
BTW – I gave you a little shout out idea in the theory I finally posted AES.
I saw…I am trying to think of additional ideas…that, and your “Trinity” thoery…Its bugging me…very much
I added another thought to consider about Smokey vs. Water…
You’ve got me thinking again, too!!! Thanks! ;P
And what you said…all those examlpes of crazy unexplainable things…a smoke monster…that judges people, (thats smokemonster.. not greenmonster…Josh and Bing), walkiing dead, resurection, reincarnation, moving islands…
This may be ‘wrong’ in many peoples eyes, but seriously, if the show didnt exist, and you asked a bunch of people which of the above would be possible on a time traveling island…?….
…I dont know, I just dont get why its so hard to swallow, when compared to everything else in the show…but like I said earlier, if Im wrong…so be it…
if Im right…well, I guess nothing really happens then either but hey, least I could say I figured something out.
Yes, you got my drift. Dare we forget resurrections…
But once again, we come to the fact that people will say that miracles don’t happen. And everything else is explainable, scientific and provable beyond any ‘being’ or ‘entity’ that usually accounts for the miraculous.
And so, you could be right. And yet, as Dabs said the other day on my trinity post I believe, even after the show is over, and we have seen things play out, people will still try to discount it.
I told someone else about this theory, and their first statement was: “That is crazy. NO way.”
And within 5 minutes, and a few, “Why nots?” combined with “How exactly would that work?” and “Can two people exist in the same time like young child Charlie and old Charles?”
(The answers included: “Yes, Sawyer was on island watching Kate while he was on island elsewhere, for starters…and we just saw a SMOKE MONSTER judge Ben; Locke is alive; Sun is in 2007 while Jin is in 1977…etc.”)
And the verdict from them was: VERY POSSIBLE.
Oh, better example than that…because I have heard a few say, “When both Swayers were there, that it is possible that one of them didnt exist due to a possibility that they would touch…that the universe wouldnt allow two Sawyers to be in the same time period….
What, would one just dissaper? I didnt get it…either way…
If you remember the Orchid video…”Dont let them near each other!”…Chang was screaming about the same bunny from two different timeperiodds…in the same room, at the same time.
That is truly the only time, and proof, we have at this point that two of the same being can exist at the same time.
Hard evidence, undeniable…and if something happened and they did touch, and that in any way creates an incident…guess what, the past can change, because theoretically, one bunny couldnt touch another bunny to cause a paradox…because one would be the ‘past’ bunny, who would never get the opportunity to go to the future, becoming the ‘future’ bunny and touch the past bunny…
wow…I cant believe that makes sense.
AES, here is one thought I have been having surrounding ‘the incident’.
What if, ‘the incident’ has something to do with certain people coming into contact with one another, once everyone is settled into the same time period in the past.
Is it possible that some characters, like Ben may run into themselves?
I am starting to think that.
It makes some sense, funny, seems Miles is a star in the next episode from the previews…and with all the talk of him possibly being Changs kid…hmmm
Dabs, I have wondered the same thing. I actually thought of it again after some of the discussion on your post about Ilana – and the idea that if the code is real about what lies under the statue – and if it is Jughead – and if there is an incident with the bomb in the future that also somehow correlates to the incident in the past – that could potentially align people in both timelines – well, so far only one specific person: Ben.
It’s late, my brain is a little tired, so hopefully that makes sense.
Good thoughts A.E.S.
I’ve read the majority of the comments but wanted to get my thoughts down before they left my head 🙂
I think when Ben saw baby Charlie he didn’t stop in his tracks because he thought it was Widmore – I think it’s just the fact that he realised Penny was a mother and that shooting her Charlie would become motherless. We saw in his flash backs that he has a soft spot for children so I think this is why he hesitated.
However, the idea that Charlie is Widmore isn’t too far fetched – BUT I have a different idea. What if baby Charlie is Charlie Pace?
If Desmond somehow goes back to the island he may end up in 1977 with Kate, Jack et al. If he takes baby Charlie with him then by the time it hits 2004, he’d be 30. I’d say Charlie Pace was around that age when 815 crashed.
Obviously for this to work, a young Charlie would have to be taken off of the island before he could have remembered any of it. Say he was taken off of the island in 1978 – he wouldn’t return to the real world in 2007/8 – it’d still be 1978.
I hope that makes sense, and I hope I haven’t gone too far off your theory 🙂
Emzi,
I agree. I think if little Charlie Hume becomes Charlie anything-else it’ll be Charlie Pace.
I also think Ben doesn’t kill Penny because he sees little Charlie… He did the same thing when he went to kill Danielle…
That idea had crossed my mind initially, but the question to becomes, why would that be signifigant enough for Ben to stop?
Also, if this makes any sense, it seems odd to me that Charlie would be without Liam, they may not be ‘blood’ brothers, or half brothers, and this would work…but we see Charlie as a child with Daddy and Liam…
Hmmm, do we see his fathers face in the pool scene?…cant remember…either way…
I just do this because its difficult…honestly, and fun…
I fully understand the obvious easy answers to every hidden difficult theory I write…its just not me…
The easy/obvious is never fun/good enough…
at least for me.
;]
It doesn’t have to be significant that it’s Charlie Pace. What made him stop when he went to kill Danielle? Just a kid… What’s significant about Charlie that makes Ben stop? That he’s a kid.
That is kind of my point I guess, I dont think it is because it is ‘just a kid’ as many assume…although parental issues are a strong theme, I find it hard to believe that is the reason…who knows though…lol, Im almost never right…
…Im just here to make the show much more complicated than what it is…its what I do best…