….Made to be broken
Ok, just trying to figure something out…lets see where this goes… what bothers me is this…
Jacob didnt want the child (Alex) to be killed, and they do what Jacob says. Ben called Widmore out, and Widmore walked away.
That being said…Ben at one point talks about a descison he made takes the lives of over forty people. Then, in season 4, says he didnt order the purge, someone else did…
“Hurley asks Ben about his killing these people, to which a seemingly offended Ben states that he didn’t kill them and that it wasn’t his decision – it was the decision of the Others’ leader. Hurley says that he thought Ben was the Others’ leader. Ben responds, “Not always.””
This would obviously mean that Widmore is the leader that orders the purge…
Here is my problem…why is he banished?
Not for the purge…
For breaking the rules…having a family off island…specifically a daughter…come on, lets stop with the Penny isnt his, not like he is just hiding something from the others or Ben… Jacob/Island/Monster…(I will forever refer to this trifecta as J.I.M., eat your heart out Lafleur), would know for sure…regardless, this is why he is banished.
Now, this whole Widmore-Linus conversation about finding islands, and killing daughters, bothers me more than it did before.
Charles is banished from the island, cannot find it, persay…his team did, and ordered Keamy and co. to go in, and slaughter everyone except Benjamin Linus. I actually think he may remember Faraday from the past, which is why he funds his research, then sends/manipulates him to go see Eloise in the states, and basically use him as a pawn to find the island.
They almost accomplished this feat, except for the fact that Ben released the smoke monster on the mercinaries.
He released the monster, because Keamy had shot Alex in the head after he would not surrender himself. Upon seeing his ‘daughter’ who we now know for sure, that he, himself stole from Danielle, shot in the head in his backyard…he says something…”He broke the rules…”.
John seems to have ‘unknowingly’ sacrificed everything for the good of the island, and sacrificed for it when he came to this understanding as well. Ben followed the same guideline. As the camera pulls futher away from the big picture, you can see, not so much less ‘bad’ in Benjamin Linus, but at least a little more ‘good’. He is “one of the good guys” you know…
So far we have him killing his mother at birth (obviously by accident), a mentally and possibly physically abusive father.One friend we know of as a child, that we have not seen again. He befriends Sayid, only to be shot in the chest, and almost died. Was seemingly ‘saved’ in some magical/spiritual/religious/medical way, by the “J.I.M”., and taken to the temple/monster lair/hole in the ground due to the fact the idiot doctor wouldnt save a boys life because he was going to ‘change’ something (that was for you highbrow).
And what did he do, nothing. Ben still went to the others, and at some point was involved in the purge…but heres the thing…he made a descision, was not in charge at the time, and Charles was booted aparently shortly after (hence my question in questions…thanks Kim and Dabs).
Yes…Ben lies…but after the last episode, I am going to assume that you cannot just fool “J.I.M.”
We see the monster knows Ben was planning to kill Locke, and warns Ben not to do it. We also see it judge him, much as he judged Eko, and killed one, and not the other, because they were or were not sorry about the bad things that they had done in their lives. The monster can evaluate the situation from another perspective, and knows if nothing else, the truth.
Now, back to Charles and Ben….I am a little confused at the way this went down. Sometime, most likely in 1992, Charles ordered the purge, and then in the same year was sent off the island for having a family.
“He broke the Rules”
I am coming to a conclusion, that Ben was not just stating that Charles Widmore broke the rules in some way to kill, or have Alex killed. I am proposing that Ben is reflecting on himself, for what Charles did…He broke the rules, to be with his family…was not willing to abandon them, as Ben did Alex. He knew the consequences of his actions…by being an other, I am sure he was well aware that they would find out, and could in some way (POSSIBLY) be why he doesnt go around Penny…to protect her.
I think Ben sees Alex die, and realizes, for better or worse, the choice he made regarding not leaving the house…and the choice Charles made regarding “breaking the rules” to have and be with his family. Ben gave everything for the island…his daughter, his father, possibly his friend Annie if some theories end up being true, about her dying in the purge…I dont think she is dead…but who knows.
This, is why I think Charles is the ‘bad guy’ and Ben is the ‘Good Guy’.
They have both killed, but Charles is willing to kill everything. He takes no prisoners, and spares no women or Children. He cares about himself, and HIS loved ones, and has no regard for other human life. We see Ben exibit some of these characteristics when repeatedly stabbing Keamy, but I dont think he was in the right state of mind…there are many people in real life, who would do the same thing if someone shot their daughter in the head right before their eyes. He knows that the island is not only his most important asset, but that the fate of the world may rest in its core.
Time travel, medical miracles, monster, illusions…he states earlier that Charles wants to exploit the island. Some have misconstrued that Charles wants to ‘share’ the island with the world…maybe for financial gain, but nothing else in my opinion. I really dont think Widmore is one to save the world…That does seem to be Bens agenda…from the right perspective I guess.
Then when Keamy and crew come killing everything, they are well aware of who Ben is, and I am sure, they know at least some of what he is capable of, lol, although Im sure the monster was a suprise. I would bet my mangos that Charles did fill Keamy in on Bens relationship with Alex, at least that he wouldnt be willing to part with her…that he wasnt strong enough, and wouldnt be willing to sacrifice her.
I guess Ben showed Charles what he knows…right? He allowed his daughter to be killed, by the mini-army of the man who predicted her death…and was banished from the island for being weak himself…for breaking the rules.
Now, here we are, many years later…if you want to speak in time…and Look at the situation…Charles doesnt let his family go…and Ben did. Charles is on his way to finding the isalnd, and poor Ben is becoming more and more detatched. The monster favors Locke, Jacob now speaks to John as well, and even Richard will tell you that John is the leader, at least ‘future’ Richard. So here we are, Charles and Ben, killing, not killing, for the good of the island…or is it for the good of themselves?
John is the only one, even though he is easily manipulated, and gullible sometimes, the only one, who possibly took nothing in exchange for his sacrifice for the island. He is the only one, who didnt necessarily break the rules. I know he turned the wheel, and I know he returned when he isnt supposed to, but it is all in favor of the isalnd. And the monster knows this, and is even willing to threaten Ben to protect Locke.
John has not left and returned for himself, never killed anyone without the good of the island, or at least good intentions for a larger group of people at the time. Was willing to die to reunite the losties and save everyone and everything.
I think Ben, although Im sure his tricks are not over, has realized Locke is truly running the show, at this point at least. And I think he realized Widmore has in fact, made his own prediction of Ben choosing between the life of his daughter, and the islands best interest come true. He may not have killed Penny, but he planned on it, and I would bet that he is not through with Widmore yet.
Also, I think we may learn, that the others may have not technically initiated the purge. We hear Mikhail tell Lock, Sayid, and Kate, that the Dharma Initiative foolishly initiated a war against his group, and called it the purge. I am going to assume that the Losties in some way cause the incident, and are related to the others by the D.I.
I imagine the D.I. takes some action, most likely something major in relation to time travel, possibly recruiting the Losties of the future with the Comic con video, and the ‘Others’ release the gas and kill everyone to save not just themselves, but to protect the island from whatever Dharma was trying to do.
Well, thats about it. I just really wanted to touch on what I believe the rules meant, and why Widmore breaking them was so signifigant to Ben. And the fact that John has to my knowledge, not broken this, or any other rule to my knowledge, unless turning the FDW and returning as a corpse counts…in which case, I think J.I.M. has forgiven him.
Also, that I believe th D.I. really did start the conflict, well, the Losties technically, and the ‘others did nothing but what they know to do…protect the island. Although the D.I. slaughter was ordered by Widmore in the end.
Rules are made to be broken, but not by the leader of the others, the chosen one of the island, the protected (by Smokey), and most importantly, by the one Jacob speaks to.
Nice theory A.E.S.I agree with you that Ben is a “good” guy, lier but no one is perfect after all the end justifies the means.Thats why even if he killed Locke the island let him return but NEVER Charles.Obviously his role isn’t finished yet, and i am sure that the losties have caused the incident, they mess up everything.lol
Very nice AES 🙂 glad to know I’m not the only one who still holds some hope for ben being the good guy 🙂
Poor ben 🙁 all he ever did was be born :$ it all went downhill feom there :S
thanks skill, i would love to see a Ben/Locke team built for the end…but unfortunatly…i dont think we will see that occure…
i always thought ben was good. or had good ends. it would be funny now that ben has to follow locke and his orders that locke truly starts not trusting him because this type of action is totally new for ben. it would seem to almost anyone that ben once again is trying to pull a fast one. poor locke
I’m still holding out a little hope that Ben will stick to his promise to the monster and do what John tells him. I won’t be surprised though if the monster ends up bouncing him off the ground though…
Good ideas though about the rules… I had another idea though that I posted on another thread earlier… that maybe Widmore had been in league with the DHARMA Initiative and that that was the real reason behind his off island trips… Maybe the DI was the family Ben was talking about. I know another Charles who had a family that wasn’t really a family, you know? Maybe the Others found out about it and purged the DI, forcing Charles to stick around to watch then shipping him off after everyone was dead… I don’t know though… just an idea..
AES, Wow is there ever a lot of content packed into this theory! I am totally salivating at the potential for great discussion on this one!
I am not sure where to begin discussing. I am going to give it a few more reads, before I start commenting.
I definitely have the feeling, there will be a late-night run on this one!
Top marks!
AES, I said there was a lot of information in your theory. I can’t even get past the first part of it, without commenting!
Given what Ben says about not ordering ‘the purge’ of Dharma, that somebody else did, we are being led to believe that the leader of ‘the others’ who did was Charles Widmore.
However, what if the leader of ‘the others’ who ordered ‘the purge’ was John Locke! We know he is headed in that direction. What we don’t know is how his time will progress on ‘the island’.
The one thought which is screaming out in my head right now, came from an interrupted, and unfinished statement by Mikhail to John Locke way back in Season 3. I would have to look up the exact remark, but it was to this effect, in part.
“The John Locke that I knew was a great….” hmm Great man? Great leader?
Mikhail spoke of John Locke like he had prior knowledge of him on ‘the island’.
PS: This would also tend to lend credence to Ben’s statement, that he wasn’t the one to banish Charles Widmore from ‘the island’. hmmm Just a thought!
I’m still not done reading the entire post, but felt the need to mention that the smoke monster did not kill Mr. Ecko on his 1st encounter with it. It judged him and included images from his life b4 the island but didn’t kill him in the episode the 23rd Psalm. The smoke monster killed him at a later episode, so hence it can still kill Ben. I don’t think he is necessarily 100% safe.
AES, I also have one more observation on this first paragraph!
Recall Kate saying that it was them, the ’06’ who were causing all of these things to happen!
Also, consider the statements made by John to Ben about Dharmaville/Otherville. John was almost disgusted by ‘the others’ use of technology.
I am leaning towards John Locke as being the ‘leader’ who orders ‘the purge’.
Sinister,
The smoke monster is definitely not safe. It allowed Ben to live but it also told him that if he didn’t do what John Locke told him to do he would be destroyed…
AES, one other thought I have on ‘the others’ is, in order to be an ‘other’, I would tend to think they would order strict alliance to one another, as opposed to any and all alliances to outsiders, including family, first and foremost.
This is how I think Charles Widmore may have ‘broke the rules’. I think there is much more to come on what other things Widmore did to be exiled from ‘the others’.
I”m not sure J.I.M. are one entity. Maybe its Smokie vs. the island.
Oh….no no, i dont want that to be misconstrued into one entity, just that between the three, at least one has some sort of power/control over almost any situation, at least involving the others…
I dont think it would be possible to slip things past one of them, let alone all three…at least on island.
Ok, people seem to get the idea that at least the DI initiated the purge…Im going to try to go through this a little slower, rather than drop a lot of info at once…Im not concerned with my theories worth at this point, it is the destination that I am leading to.
So Chuck got the boot, and Ben went on his way. At this point, we know Ben is now the others leader. The purge has already occured, and the incident before that.
Which leads me to my next subject…the incident.
–During the Swan Orientation Film, Dr. Marvin Candle mentioned that there was “an incident” which resulted in the creation of a protocol that required a code to be entered every 108 minutes. The incident involved a leak in the containment associated with an electromagnetic anomaly. The leak caused an unspecified charge to build up within the anomaly. As the charge built up, the magnetic field associated with the anomaly grew. After 108 minutes, the magnetic field was large enough to damage the Swan station. This incident most likely occurred before 1980, the production date of the film—
so the incident most likely was before 1980…what is the incident? Who caused it? and Why were they already building a station, to use to contain the incident?
AES, you don’t seem to want to discuss this theory.
Anyway, last comment.
I have stated that I believe Widmore is heading up a “new” faction of Dharma, whether it is called Dharma or not, I don’t know.
I do believe it has elements of the Illuminati, or some other group. I am not sure if the original Dharma was just a front for this group, all along. It’s possible. Or, a major reorganization may have taken place.
I mentioned in highbrow’s post, (you two confuse me when you simo-post on the same subject) lol, that I think it is also a good likelihood that Ben has also switched alliances.
Ben has been set aside by Richard and Jacob, so I am not sure where his alliances may fall, when it’s all said and done.
While it would appear that Widmore is evil enough to have ordered ‘the purge’, I think there is more to it, than just that alone. Something significant must have occurred for him to want to annihilate them.
Ben said it wasn’t himself that ordered it, and I doubt it was Richard. That only leaves the mysterious Jacob, which by the looks of things, nobody seemed to care what he wanted either.
Now, I join the ranks of people that talk to themselves! lol
Were we simoposting?
AES, okay so I wasn’t talking to myself then. Damn simo-posting!
Nobody has taken from your theory, either! I am trying to add to it.
Your point about The Swan Station being built, prior to the infamous incident, raises a good point.
What I have been trying to say, in all of these posts, which nobody seems to be getting is, that there is something inherently wrong with the dates of Widmore leaving ‘the island’, etc.
The real incident you are referring to, may not be the same incident we will see. I don’t know what is up, and now I am even more confused.
Why build a Station whose function is not yet needed! hmmm!
Way to fry my noodle again!
AES, we’re likely simo-posting again, but I just had a thought about the station.
It would seem as though Radzinsky was totally loyal to the DI, as he was worried Sayid was spying on him. However, what if somebody else within the DI knew of what was coming down, and they were actually a traitor working with ‘the others’. I could see Pierre Chang being that traitor!
That would explain ‘the why’ of building the station, without the knowledge of what it’s true need was going to be used for.
But somebody knew!
Because we are on a time travelling island, and people who travelled back in time told someone about an incident that is going to occur…so what does a good time traveler do…try and fix things…but, as we know from “Whats done is Done”, I know, I still believe in change, but for now, pretend it doesnt exist…shouldnt be hard for some, that you cannot change anything…in fact, Jack “the mule” Shepard proved that to us, by not fixing Ben…wow…everythings all better, way to go Doc!
So by someone trying to stop an incident…like maybe an island wide extermination, maybe they are trying to fix a timeline that isnt fixable, or worse, isnt broken…thats just how it happened.
What Im thinking is, someone, most likely Faraday, told Chang or whoever is feeling like belittling someone in the DI, and playing leader for the day, that the purge was supposed to happen, and all of the Dharma Initiative would parish. They did something, whether try to protect themselves with the creation of the Swan, to keep the island moving in time, for reasons of protection by allowing the possibility for time travel to exist, and when the purge does in fact kill every member of the DI, it leaves an open invitation for someone to return, and fix everything by returning to the past, as the Losties did…
Im going to see if this makes sense before I continue…
lol AES, it looks like we are on the same page! Please continue.
I like what you’re saying, and it makes sense. It doesn’t even have to involve the time travelling.
What if the plan is, to construct the station, because they are about to do something, and it goes awry because of a meddling ‘lostie’, and ‘the purge’ gets somehow delayed.
Or, something to that effect.
So what did they do? They set the islands core energy into motion, and as Change said in the season opener, try to control and manipulate time…but not without the help of the man who has already caused time travel, Faraday.
He, from the Comic-con video, has obviously warned Change, most likely helped put the control of the island energy into motion, possibly by telling Chang the same magic numbers Desmond told him at Oxford, and began what he felt, was a way to change the past…
Yes, but the lostie still has to time travel to the past to meddal…
meddle
I dont think the purge will be delayed because of it, I think the purge will be caused because of it, and by doing so, sets off a chain of events that leads to the ultimate demise of the DI.
DOnt worry, you are probably thinking…WHEN THE CHANGE THEN AES?
There is time for that, remember, there is still a few of the Losties who arent there, and at least one timeperiod that hasnt yet been visited…the ancient time of the statue.
AES, I guess in fact that is what I was trying to say, but didn’t articulate it that well.
I agree that is what will cause that specific incident. I still feel that as a result of the overall meddling, perhaps from Sayid, etc., that things get messed up generally and cause another incident, of a completely different nature!
Yes, and you are forgetting about one other event, that has yet to be visited. The Black Rock!
Yeah, we are a little off, its been a while dabsi, we have been on different schedules as of late, and ITS KILLING ME, lol…
I think that the incident caused is the ‘wheel’ put into motion on ‘controlled’ time travelling, and the incident trying to be stopped, is the Purge…I could be wrong, but it makes sense…sort of, lol
Ha, I did forget, a very important event.
Could this timetravel possibly knock them back into the blackrock time, and it be when the ship wrecks?
Oh good call, one step ahead…
AES, I blame that on highbrow, and the hijinx of late. Perhaps now things will get back on an even keel. If only highbrow was a ‘night man’. lol
I agree with you, and I also think that ‘the losties’ presence is, what gets both of these events set in motion.
I recall somebody saying in another post that Pierre Chang calls out the name of LaFleur in that Orchid video.
But they changed nothing, right? haha I can’t wait for the episode that will clear that up! lol
Yep, and that would lead the way, for your theory on Desmond and Widmore coming back to ‘the island’. I bet old moneybags has a ship that looks just like it! lol
Ok, the purge…Please read highbrows take on the purge, I cannot recall the name, but he has had the idea that the purge is NOT the same cause that killed Bens father.
We know the island has the tempest, and we know it is some sort of chemical facility.
I think the ‘gas’ from the tempest, may be a containment of the energy built up from putting the island in a state of constant movement.
Basically, once the island is used for timetravel, unnatrually, ala the Orchid, the energy from what is used to move/hide the island is built up in the tempest. It is contained for a timeperiod of 108 minutes, then released by entering the numbers into the computer at the swan…
When Locke doesnt push the button, and Des turns the key, it releases a large amount of energy, imploding the hatch, and stopping the destruction of the isalnd.
But, now there is no way to vent the gas from the buildup of energy, therefor, Charolette and Dan come in, turn off the auto purge, and save the people on the isalnd.
The orchid is still operable, but only from the frozen donkey wheel below.
So Ben goes down, turns the wheel, and moves the island to a more remote location/time.
Now, there is no control again, and the Losties are off skipping through time until put back in the proper position…or at least a position that is solid and not bouncing around.
I still cannot hear him say that, although everyone insists that he does, Ill take your word on it…
I think LaFleur was there, but only to break up the party…Sawyer seems to if nothing else, not want his life screwed up…
Its really the first time he has had any sort of normal life…the best part is, his previous life that he seemed unhappy with, was what enables his conning abilities, and allows his to have the life of LaFleur..
AES, I read highbrow’s post on that, and I really liked it.
I love what you just said, and it makes total sense to me!
That answers why Dan & Charlotte disengaged it. The ‘island’ had to be moved by somebody. So the viewers were placed under the wrong impression, which doesn’t surprise me.
I agree that is why ‘the island’ has been sent ‘skipping’ through time until they can stabilize this situation.
So, that tells me, what Ilana has in those containers! It is some kind of equipment!
And, all the more reason why she is using a ‘code word’. So, she doesn’t encounter the people who will stand in her way.
Part of what I find so interesting is watching the past seasons of Lost. The characters, although flawed, were not as hard, as they now seem to be.
They changed. The ‘island’ and time changed them. I don’t think in all cases, it was for the better!
You guys are in a groove of good thoughts that I hate to disrupt!
I’m enjoying reading it at the very least, and at some point, will remember the thought I had about Locke, the rules, “returning dead”/sacrifice, etc.
But for now, I like this convo about the incident and how it could relate to Ilana’s box, especially!
heya kimberly, join in the conversation! You always have great thoughts!
And I also heard a little anti-‘trinity’ thought from you there AES…I like the J.I.M. thing but then you say that they aren’t the same entity!?! You’re killing me! 😉
Thanks Dabs. I really like this direction toward the incident, how the Losties ‘interfere’ and what is attempting to be done in 2007…
And I am JOKING AES. Just in a teasing mood!
It certainly is nice to be joking again, kimberly! lol
Much agreed Dabsi!
Since AES is taking forever to post…:)
I’m going to write out my Locke comment but it will probably get inserted in something else randomly, which is okay…I just don’t want to forget (which is quite possible for my ‘fried noodle’ tonight)!
kimberly, go ahead. It looks like AES is tied up elsewhere for the moment.
I will have to disappear myself and turn in for the evening, within the next 10 minutes, in case I am not here when your comment is finished.
I will check it tomorrow!
“John is the only one, even though he is easily manipulated, and gullible sometimes, the only one, who possibly took nothing in exchange for his sacrifice for the island. He is the only one, who didnt necessarily break the rules. I know he turned the wheel, and I know he returned when he isnt supposed to, but it is all in favor of the island. … John has not left and returned for himself, never killed anyone without the good of the island, or at least good intentions for a larger group of people at the time. Was willing to die to reunite the losties and save everyone and everything…”
It is as if you have defined Locke’s relationship to the island here perfectly!
It sparked my thought about Christian, since we have so often talked of the players in this war…Ben, Widmore, Locke and Christian.
Ben & Widmore broke rules.
As you pointed out, Locke seemingly hasn’t…and he has been allowed to return. He died without knowing what his future held, which can’t necessarily be said for the other two. He also was brought back to the island dead, just like Christian.
Which just got me thinking (once again) where he fits into this. We’ve talked about him being an Other possibly…most important thing we know is that he can speak on Jacob’s behalf.
(If only I could draw a little chart of comparisons/contrasts because there are many overlaps obviously!)
One of my questions has always been: how does Christian fit in? Why would he be chosen to speak (not lead)…like Biblical Aaron to Moses…
And the reason I think it’s important right now?
BOTH Ben and Charles have excused and validated their behavior because of the island or Jacob’s choices as well as acquiesced to “JIM’s” choices…
So I guess it just gets me hypothesizing about Christian as the similarities with Locke are there…
Whew. Thanks.
He’s over at BiNG’s post…
Now we can tease him for avoiding us over at his own theory!!!
True, kimberly! It’s tough to be in his position! There are two of him who command the attention of others around here now!
He is spreading himself quite ‘thin’ with his lady friends! Shame on him!
Whoa, that will get his blood pressure on the rise! Just wait until he writes another theory, and looks for us!
G’night!
Oh…On JIM…Its not that I think they are unrelated, its just that its not conclusive yet…
One of them always is present, whether physically, or just by Bens mouth…
“Jacob said this…”, “Jacob doesnt want that…”….all the friggin time…when is Ben actually having the time to find the cabin and have these talks with jacob?
As for Ben, he never technically broke the rules.
He stole the child, instead of killing it, by Jacobs demand, at least the not killing it part…
He didnt sacrifice the island in place of Alex allowing her to die…
And although he did return, much like Locke, he was forgiven, with warning, from the smoke monster…
Im telling you, hes a good guy.
Widmore is selfish and greedy. Not one good thing was done by him for the island.
It seems as if we were meant to believe somewhere that Ben breaking the rules was returning to the island, so that’s what I was thinking about…nonetheless, I could see them (pesky writers) wanting to turn the tables on us now and reveal he’s the good guy. For the average viewer, this would be enough of a cliffhanger/reveal/something – kinda like Snape at the end of HP, probably.
There is still something else, something I cannot help but ask myself since the end of last season, and with the Comic-con video of last year…something I dont think I have ever brought up or seen anywhere…but it is kind of out there, and dont know if it will really play in…
And….?????
Oh geez. Short end of the stick tonight! 🙂
It’s me again, talking to myself. I’ll check it out tomorrow AES!
Sorry, trying to think of a way for this to not sound crazy.
When Ben is loading metal into the machine that the video is saying not to put metal in (mostlikely to protect the electromagnetic properties of the machine), what exactly is that.
It appears to be a device similar to the one in the old movies “The Fly” that were supposed to be used for teleportation. I would assume here they are used for timetravel with the same idea of an enclosure…
We see the bunnies do thier time travel trick, so is this the device built to keep the test subject enclosed, in case this would happen again?
My big question is, what is the full capability of this structure…was it ever used before by a human…and if someone went in it in the past or future, could they come out whenever they chose?
I often think of a funny question to answer why there is now currenty no time travel, nor will there ever be in the future in the real world…
“If timetravel became possible in the future, wouldnt someone from the future return to the past, and be known for doing so already, thus making timetravel, like time, not precise in terms of order of events?”
We see the losties come back to the past via the FDW, but what about those machines…have they been used to communicate with the past…or future at any point that we are unaware of?
Like in an ‘incident’ type thing?
I’m pretty sure what you’re saying.
And to answer and process too quickly, without thinking: What if what’s in Ilana’s big silver box, is a big silver box…to fix the big silver box…
Okay, but seriously…
I’m tracking with you.
(I’m pretty sure “I GET” what you’re saying.)
Too late for me to be thinking…typing…
exactly…
the video were recent in terms of the purge date, and actually described the incident….pre-incidentish time, Change had his arm, post-incidentish time, he did not.
I relate this missing limb with the incident, always have, and judging what we see now, seems to correlate with the story…
But there is one more thing that bothers me, and I swear, I am aware by saying what I am about to say, it will cause a different view on this theoory by many…highbrow especially…
In one, maybe more of the DI videos, there is something strange that happens…
I dont know the exact order, but its almost irrelevant for this…
We see that Chang has his arm in some videos, and a prosthetic in others….
There is a video, that shows Chang looking at his hand in an odd manor, squeezing as if there is something weird or off…the same arm that he eventually doesnt have in presumably later videos…
Please, hold the Back to the Future jokes…it happens, and its odd, thats all Im saying…
So he lost his arm in the future, potentially?
It’s not crazy, I mean, we saw someone else lose an arm this season…
In where you are going with this, what would the implications be?
Let none of you forget when my theory of the purge is proven correct that I posted that last year and nobody to my knowledge (and I read a lot of Lost theories) has raised the same possibility.
OMG thats alot to read A.E.S, especially with all the comments im not done yet but I see your over the Talk that Penny ISNT Widmore’s daughter but ALEX WASNT Ben’s daughter & they were both leaders & if were on that subject that would be coincidence.
Im just ‘Reaching’ Appreciate it A.E.S, Appreciate it.
Highbrow, not to rain on your parade, lol, not that you havent done it to me, lol…but…
“Lost: The Complete Third Season (DVD) commentary revealed that the mechanism for the Purge at the Barracks was different from the mechanism Ben used in the van. The gas canister was added in post-production to give Ben a more active-role in his father’s death. The original plan was for something to happen more-or-less Island-wide to cause the Purge.”
—lostpedia
…I will say though, that I really have not heard an actual theory on this before…so maybe Im not raining…just blocking your sunshine with a few AES clouds…
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