A unique marriage proposal from science to religion

Well, I will begin by saying that many times I write theories and spend more time deciding whether to post them in ‘fun’ or ‘theory’, and I feel that i do a pretty good job of making tha decision. I hope I can conyinue my trend. Yes this is in theories, so you can bet that I have some firepower to back it up.
Like many of my theories, you have to take the cheesy thoughts out of your head to really comprehend my thoughts. Dont worry, Im not going ‘back to the future’ on you. Quite the opposite actually. I must say time and time again, that I become entangled in the web of the current Lost episode, that I forget the basics that got me interested (aside from the greatest opening scene in television). So thank you to Thomas, for a simple theory that has not allowed my mind to stray from a theory I have been toying with since about mid season three. I think I might now have a little more fact to throw in that might just qualify this as an actual theory. Grab a drink, its quite a long read.
From a basic statement that was posted as a theory regarding lost being a science fiction show, pushed me to find a way to keep the religious element alive. Funny thing is, I was already thinking his way when I read his theory. I sometimes cant help myself, when someone says this is that, or that is this for sure, even if I agree, I have to try to prove a valid reason why an open possibility clause would stiill be in effect on Lost. Guess its kind of a John Locke, “dont tell me what i cant do” kind of thing. Either way, I did kind of hit a kink. Although I still believe and hope true acts of faith still play a role, I cant help but feel that we were robbed of the religion in Lost.
Then I started thinking, they always go back to the mysteries. They wouldnt just leave us hang out to dry. It wouldnt be fair. Even on his theory, I posted (long) comments trying to give ground to a marriage proposal between the two, and although a couple of good reads, I feel I came up short.
Im going to go a different direction now. Away from the isalnd and back to the people, the characters, the hidden relics the show offers that makes it fun. You may not agree with everything, but one thing I try to do with any theory I write, is make it ‘undebunkable’…thats a funny word. With much more logic than fact, although theres a few, Im going to try to throw a different spin on the ‘religion’ that is used, and I stress the word USED, to control the ‘others’ on Lost, and the relationship with the off island folk as well, at least one anyway.
Lets start with Ben. He manipulates people, plain and simple. If I see my arm on fire, and Ben tells me its on fire, I would second guess my own eyes and feeling. I dont trust him. He is manipulative, desensitized, devious, and just a plain bastard. He is my favorite character right up there with Locke. Ben always has a plan. Why, time travel? Maybe. Endless spies and men on boats? Quite possible. But there is more to the man. Something almost…good about him. Why does he do what he does? Is he just trying to travel back in time and save a loved one? Trying to take over the world? Hmm, seemed content on his little island…didnt he? Why would he need all those passports? Why does Miles know who he is and that he has access to very large amounts of money? Some of these questions will wait, but his motive is the question of the hour right now. What is ‘good’ really? Is killing thousands to save millions good? Im not saying that is what he is doing, but he sure doesnt mind sacrificing a few people to save the island does he?
Its funny, I always pictured Ben being the man behind the curtain. Well my moneys on Christian now. Ben seems to understand something that few do on Lost. Something that only maybe Widmore and a few others only grasp.
I have been tinkering with the idea of Illuminati and Knights of templar for quite some time now. Problem is, its sounds as stupid reading it as it does writing it. The thing is, with some simple logic and twisted variations of words on Lost, and a very new reference to go off of, it might not be as far fetched as once thought.
Simple things such as the temple, were the first to get my mind going. Temple/Templar… too easy. But with all the religious references and doubt for that matter, why not a coverup. I dont really have a real theory, as much as jumbled thoughts, so bear with me, still missing pieces.
Lets start with Jacob. Jacob healed Juliettes sister, protectes people on the island, gets mad and strikes people down who want to leave. But what have we seen Jacob ACTUALLY do. Sit in a rocking chair and cry for help, thats what. Wow, the all powerful Jacob doesnt like technology, Jacob isnt a man that likes pop in visitors or, very much of anything else for that matter that gods we are familiar with today. He seems to have a code to follow. Ben states several instances of Jacob wouldnt like that, probably in a way to throw the others or Locke off his tracks. I must say, I am not doubting the existance of the “great man” known as Jacob. Just that Benjamin Linus is full out abusing the fact that whatever he needs help from, keeps him from doing anything to truly exibit power of any kind. Yes, I am aware that many think he is trapped in some kind of space time continuity problem, and I agree.
Thats kind of my point. I feel that there is a larger hand at play than we are seeing. We see Hawking, and Brother Campbell, Desmond, Penny, and Ben all at some Temple of some sort. Call it a church, its good enough to sell it to me. Many said that the monestary Ben and Hawking are in at the end of the lie is the temaple on the island, or somehow related. I again agree. I think that the ‘temple’ is being used as a coverup to what they are truly after, be it the island, the ability to time travel, infinite life, like Alpert seems to have. Some kind of ‘treasure’ to the one that finds it. For all we know it could be the gold on BlackRock that some of them truly want, doubtful though. But the point is, that there is some reason why there is a ‘foccault pendelum’ in the basement of a monestary or church or temple.
Props to Dabs, for giving me the name of the device used by Hawking to determine the event window, ala, location of the island. When she posted Faucault Pendelum, telling that was it my mind went a million different directions. Luckily for me, the library in my head was open, so I browsed all titles and….nothing…so I googled :] (least Im honest). This Book, written by Endo Eco, was titled so due to the fact that the plot was about people who used the FP starting off playing a game, to to basically find a treasure. Catch is, the game takes place all over the planet, and the treasure just happens to be the Knights of Templar treasure.

‘ The lunatic … doesn’t concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idée fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars. ‘
‘Umberto Eco , Foucault’s Pendulum

Sound like a certain “dont tell me what I cant do” individual out there? Whatever he comes across, confirms his lunacy? Everything tha poor Locke stumbled across, to him at least, confirmed
to him, that this was his destiny.
Back to the Templars. BTW, it may not be directly the Templars that is the group of which I speak, there are just some similarities. Even the writers have admitted to a book entitled “The Illuminatis Trilogy” as an inpiration. I am still reading this one, but it has to do with a secret society using its money and power to cover up numerous mysteries, murders, and religious mumbo jumbo, much like the more modern Davinci Code does with the Templar.

this is how the Templar, among other of the worlds cultures, viewed a certain shape we all have become very familiar with.
“A symbol of regeneration, it is mid-way between the square and the circle (Terrestial and celestial order)
As a geometric figure it is derived from the octagram, it is symbolic of totality”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CrossPatheeDome.jpg
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The floor plan of Temple of Jerusalem and some construction lines; possible source of inspiration for Templar constructions
Other symbols pop up throughout Lost. This: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rosy_Cross_color.png
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The rosy cross (also called “rose cross” and “rose croix”) is a symbol largely associated with the semi-mythical Christian Rosencreutz (1378-1484), alchemist and founder of the Rosicrucian Order. It has several meanings, depending on the source. Some modern Rosicrucians claim that the rosy cross predates Christianity, where “the cross represents the human body and the rose represents the individual’s unfolding consciousness.”[1] It has also been suggested that the rose represents silence while the cross signifies “salvation, to which the Society of the Rose-Cross devoted itself by teaching mankind the love of God and the beauty of brotherhood, with all that they implied.”
Some also saw the Rosy Cross as a symbol of the human process of reproduction elevated to the spiritual: “The fundamental symbols of the Rosicrucians were the rose and the cross; the rose female and the cross male, both universal phallic […] As generation is the key to material existence, it is natural that the Rosicrucians should adopt as its characteristic symbols those exemplifying the reproductive processes. As regeneration is the key to spiritual existence, they therefore founded their symbolism upon the rose and the cross, which typify the redemption of man through the union of his lower temporal nature with his higher eternal nature.”
where “the cross represents the human body and the rose represents the individual’s unfolding consciousness.”[1] It has also been suggested that the rose represents silence while the cross signifies “salvation, to which the Society of the Rose-Cross devoted itself by teaching mankind the love of God and the beauty of brotherhood, with all that they implied.” [2]
This was a symbol often used by the knights of templar for identification to other members, at least once the modern templars were supposedly hiding right in front of our faces.
There are several directions I could run with this, but I think that there is just too much pointing to it making sense that this be the symbol put on Juliet. 1, for all the regeneration and reproductive process talk, in regards to why she was originally brought to the island, making her the perfect billboard. And 2, all those words that caught your eye reading that…”reproductive”, “regeneration”, “temporal”, “concienceness”.
So now that we have a few symbols, references, buildings, and word connections, what are we missing if we were discussing a secret society..ah yes, the cover up. What are they trying to
obtain, or in my opinion, protect? Ben makes either the most prolific statement of the year or the ballsiest manipulative tactic Ive seen yet..screaming at a woman who believes her husband has been dead for 3 years, and then challenging her to shoot him upon stating that he knows he is alive!?! Either Ben has ‘good’ inside him yet, or he is..well..i wont say that here.
He does seem genuine, at least for an instant, doesnt he? The fear in his eyes as the words leave his mouth. And the surprise in his eyes upon the realization that Hawking is Faradays mother!
Ive come full circle with Benjamin Linus now. Love/hate, love/hate, what to feel?
After careful thought into all his manipulation, I fear all my mean nasty thoughts towards Ben, may have been a little presumptious.
Ben preached of Jacob to his people, not unlike many religious and Biblical characters have in the beliefs of many faiths. He swore protection to his holy land. He would sacrifice any and all to protect the island. Ben has, much like Locke, devoted his life to the island and its inhabitants. It just took Locke a while longer to get there. John and Ben arent so different. In season 1, Locke lies constantly to everyone, trying only to do what he feels is truly best for them. He or Ben dont seem to do, what they do to people out of fear, or hatred, or any other sinister thoughts. they do most, to protect what they love and feel key to existence, the island.
Back to the coverup. I think that Ben is and has been for a long time, fully aware of what the island is capable of. I think that there needed to be ‘others’ for protection, ala Knights of Templar or Illuminati, to keep safe the power that dwells deep inside the island. THis place of miracles needs protection. Hmm, who was it that said something to John along the lines of “thousands of people flocked “smalltown, USA” last year to see the virgin marys face appear in “oatmeal” (or something” heres the important part ” imagine what they would do if they found out you were crippled when you got here”.
I feel that is one scenario of the needs for protection. The other being, maybe there is a way in the Lost world, that the island could actually disprove religion and or god.
Imagine a world turned upside down without faith or belief in more than what is on earth.The riots and vandalism. No need for repent or pity or apologies. If Ben is really presenting a trapped soul of the spacetime continuom as a form of god or spirit on island, it could be a metaphor for the big religious picture off island. True explanations of ghosts, or spirits. The names serving as sudanyms in a way for our characters. Time travel explaining resurections. Chaos, apoctolyptic chaos would ensue. The reasons for protecting the island are more than just stopping something simply from destroying the world. As we see peoples faith fall and rise on island, just as in the real world, some realize there is a need for faith, even if one doesnt want it. Ben may realize this notion, and for some reason feels the need to protect.
As I said jumbled thoughts. I wrote this a million times in my head and it always sound better up there. But I do hope my ideas are enough to open up a different view of the science/religious aspects on Lost. I will TRY to answer questions, and I hope I didnt lose anyone too bad on this one. Agree or disagree, Ill probably stand by this one for a while. And after I have more time to think, I will probably edit or add to this one.
Lets have it, be brutal, thats my favorite part sometimes. ;]