JACOB #2 – Why he is stuck in the moving cabin asking for help and why Claire is there!
I know that this is my second post regarding the Jacob theory, only so that I can follow up on my first posting about Jacob’s birth/life and answer some questions posed toward it.
The cabin is always moving and cannot be seen by just anyone because it no longer exists. Jacob has somehow passed away and remains as a very powerful spirit on the island. Jacob is such a powerful spirit that he is kept prisoner in that cabin by the ash that surrounds it. I have read so many books and seen so many movies where spirits are kept in or out by some sort of ash or brick dust. Jacob having passed/died but still being an active spirit would explain his ability to toss objects (in the cabin) and re-animate dead bodies of the island such as Christian Shephard (who’s body was missing from his coffin in season 1) and Yemi who died on the island in a plane crash. Also Charlie has reappeared, but at the mental institution, that could just be Hurley’s schizophrenia. Jacob can use these bodies to talk with people but can’t actually interact, which would also explain why when Locke asks Christian to help him up (he has a compound fracture in his leg) he say’s “NO”.
Jacob himself can only be heard in the cabin by the people who are aware of his existence. John not really believing in Jacob is why he heard the “Help Me” so faintly, and Ben keeping Jacob trapped there is why he was so concerned that Locke heard Jacob and wanted to know what he had said.
Jacob being in the cabin is explained by him being the son of Horace (the man who built the cabin). Horace brought his son, Jacob, to the secret cabin as a young boy, which explains the entire connection!
Jacob is trapped in that circle of dust so he lives in a manifestation of the secret cabin he used to visit with his father as a boy. The same reason he can only be heard by the people who are aware of his existence is the same reason only certain people can see the cabin, like Locke, Ben, and Hurley for some unknown reason.
When Charlotte died, Faraday mentions how her body moved on with the island and now they were stuck in place (living in normal time but in 1975). This would explain how the cabin was always moving before the donkey wheel was turned. Locke who was looking for the cabin was stuck in place (living in normal time – 24hr days, 365 days a year) but the cabin was always moving because it is exactly like the dead Charlotte (a spirit of the island moving along with it).
This theory would lead me to assume that Claire is dead, which in my opinion is the only reason she would leave Aaron behind and act like she could care less about anything when seen by Locke. As another spirit of the island such a Christian and Yemi, Claire is being re-animated by Jacob as well, the reason is still unknown. Claire being dead and an active spirit (not nearly as powerful as Jacob) would also explain why on the island while re-animated she does not care about Aaron, Aaron who? But in Kate’s dream she is visited by Claire’s spirit who is very concerned for the well being on her son.
Ben must keep Jacob contained with that ash/dust because he is so powerful, but also still needs to consult with him regarding the welfare of the island, which was Jacob’s original intent as explained in my first theory called JACOB – The Child of Amy & Horace.
Joshcgs – I think your concept of a ghost cabin is interesting, and I think I could buy into that. Others have also discussed salt/brick/ask rings around the cabin as being a common use for binding spirits into something. Such rings are also used to keep things OUT, too, so perhaps the ring is used to keep non-special people out and Jacob in as well. I also see something of a connection between a Jacob born of Amy and Horace being special… like Walt is special…and Aaron. Still, I cannot help but feel that a Jacob who doesn’t like technology might be a ship’s Captain, too…
As for Claire, I suppose she is dead, but I don’t know why. Did the island kill her through Christian? Did her previous issues which required vaccine cause her death? did the vaccine do it?
josh, have you considered that the island is actually moving, not jacob or the cabin, it’s only when the island reaches the same space/time in which jacob is in that the cabin appears? we are told the island is always moving, and most likely between the same set of points so i’m starting to suspect the cabin appears when the island moves into that period. what do you think? you’ve put a lot of thought in this one.
I have considered that theory, but when they mention that the island is actually moving, everything on the island stays in the same place (like the hatch and the orchid/well), it just moves to a different part of the Earth. But the cabin actually moves to different locations on the island, whereas John could not go back to the location he visited the first time, and told Hurley he must show him where he had seen the cabin so that he could return for a second visit.
The Earth is always moving (constantly rotating and revolving) that is how we have day/night and seasons. Scientific facts have proven that if one were able to move at the speed of light, they could travel through time. The island appears to be flashing into different time periods, but it is just “moving” around the Earth so fast that wherever it relocates it is in a different time period. The movement of the Earth is so slight tha we do not feel it at all, before Ben turned the FDW the island did move but much slower, this was all explained by Eloise Hawking. The flashes as they are refered to demonstrate how the island is jumping around rather then moving on a steady course. A great example would be if someone like the flash could run all the way around the earth faster then it can rotate in 24 hours, technically they should be able to move in time.
I enjoyed both theories very much and could buy into a lot of it. good job! and thanks.
In regards to your second sentence is it not true that you have to outrun the speed of light in order to actually time travel and in this case you can only go into the future.
My understanding is there is two way’s theoretically to time travel. One is mentioned above where you can only go to the future and the other is bending space.
NO I dont bite this… Jacob will be part of the ancient mysteries of the island. such as the statu and the temple..
The writers will show us at the end of this season why the show this baby and the origins in one of the flashes.
I knew time travel had something to do with moving at the speed of light! Either way you have to admit that it seems like the cabin jumps around even when they are living in normal time (no flashes). That and the ash surrounding it, plus the “man you can’t see” all seems to point toward Jacob being some sort of spirt.
I really do appreciate everyone’s comments, positive and negative. Ever since Jacob was mentioned I have been just as curious as Locke to find out more! I really want to see what other people think. Arturo def makes a good point – how does the Egyptian stuff fit in – I do not have a theory for that one at all!
All I know is everytime a character (mostly Locke) is like “Tell me what the monster is!” or “tell me everything you know about the island.” I love it, I am like yea tell him Ben, I would ask the same questions!
Joshcgs, the ash surrounding Jacob’s cabin, represents a ‘circle of protection’. It either acts to contain negative energy inside of it, or to keep negative energy from entering it!
If this ‘circle of protection’ is misused, to entrap, the tables are turned on the person, attempting to abuse the protection.
It only deepens the mystery of Jacob! The cabin moving, is an illusory effect, IMO.
I was thinking about what you said about Christian not being able to help Locke and that he can’t actually interact with the living in a physical way, but what about when Christian was holding Aaron that night that Claire “dissapeared”? Other then that question i really enjoyed the theory!
I really hope Superman Time Travel (where the rotation of the Earth somehow is related to our progression through time) never comes to have anything to do with Lost.
Bailey1227 – you make a really good point, again another hole in my theory, a question that I cannot really answer.
If I had to answer I would tell you that on the night in question, when Claire disappeared, what we saw was Christian holding Aaron and telling Claire to follow him, for all we know she could have already been dead. If she was still alive, I don’t care who told her to follow, she would never LEAVE AARON BEHIND. Something has obviously happened to her, and Christian holding Aaron (keeping him from her) was a way of showing that from here she will not be the one to raise the baby.
And highbrow – I hate to disagree but I feel like after seeing the giant pendulum swing, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ISLAND DOESNT MOVE IN TIME, IT MOVES ITS LOCATION.
We know the island is and was always moving, hence why it is nearly impossible to find (and mentioned by Elloise Hawking). But it was not moving in a way noticeable to any of the 815 survivors. So time was normal like it is for you and I.
But when the island starting moving significantly (flashing around the Earth)that was pretty dam noticeable. They all got nosebleeds because the human brain was being screwed with (like jetlag) one minute is was night, the next day, the body can’t get used to any normal cycle, and the brain is hemmoraging as a result.
Rather then the slow steady movement and course the island usually follows, it was constantly jumping around. So wherever it moved to on the Earth, it was at that location in the past, or will be there in the future.
I am bored at work sooo, yea, keep it coming!
The island isn’t moving in time as a consequence of it moving in space. Emzi described the island’s perpetual movement really well in another post. I think she said that the island is moving in space at all times but started moving in time when Ben turned the wheel, then stopped when Locke turned it.
highbrow, this is where I respectfully disagree! Not with emzi’s description, because she was right.
The island, has always been moving in time and space, although with the time aspect, it was always much more slight, before the FDW was turned.
Once the FDW was turned, time spun out of control.
Faraday’s exercise with ‘the payload’, verifies this as being accurate, as does, Desmond’s resetting of the Swan Station, every 108 minutes.
The time difference between ‘the freighter’ and ‘the payload’ was 31 minutes. Time was moving differently on ‘the island’ than the outside world.
How else would you explain it?
Yes Dabia – you are exactly right!
See how she pointed out that the island and the freighter has a 31 minutes time difference between them, that is because the island IS ALWAYS MOVING – just very slowly – so slow that it unnoticeable to anyone who is living on it (similar to how do not notice the rotation of Earth or the revolving of the Earth around the sun) We only see day&night and seasons as a result.
That 31 minute time difference always existed, but when Ben turned the FDW, the movement of the island went out of control. When Christian said to “move the island” he meant to take it off of its normal course because it has been found, and now it must move in a different direction/speed.
Having Ben turn the wheel instead of Locke, is obviously what made the FDW stuck and all messed up so that the flashes were out of control.
The island was jumping around to different points on the Earth – WHERE IT HAS BEEN (PAST) AND WHERE IT WILL GO (FUTURE).
Now that Locke turned the wheel (who Jacob/Christian originally inteded on doing it) the island has moved back to its location in 1974, and is moving in normal time just as it always has.
Ajira air had to be that specific flight because with the right amount of electromagnetic energy (the people who have already been on island – hence why they all must go back) so that the plane could go through some sort of time portal and allow them access the island WHEREVER AND WHENEVER it is!
I have been rambling, I can do this all day but life is not LOST and I have to work 🙁
But keep up the theories, I love going back and forth!
There is more to it than that! The payload arrived late but Doc Ray arrived early… I think instead of it actually moving from one point to another (because that makes it really difficult to reconcile how it’s aligned with 2004 when 815 went over and how it just happens to be around 2005 when the Losties become the Foundies.
I think the island moves through time (at least when it’s not between to donkey wheel turns) at varying rates. Sometimes the same as the outside world, sometimes slightly fast and sometimes slower. That would account for it being at least near regular time, how it can sometimes be slightly behind (like when the payload arrived late) or slightly ahead (like when Doc Ray washed up on the shore).
But this isn’t really moving… at least not special moving. WE ARE ALL CONSTANTLY MOVING THROUGH TIME. There’s nothing special about that. If that’s what Hawking meant then I don’t know why she even bothered saying it.
highbrow – I love the way you think, so constructive!
But I have to respectfully disagree.
WE ARE ALL CONSTANTLY MOVING THROUGH TIME you are correct, but what is so special about the island is that, as the Earth moves (rotates and revolves) everything stays put, all the continents, ISLANDS, everything, that is how we can account for seasons and day/night. Every calendar year (in the US) we know that in Nov-Apr it will be cold and in May-Sep it will be hot.
But as the Earth rotates and revolves, the island moves at the same time!
you would think everytime they flash they would be in another type of climate, maybe the island only follows a path of tropical climates to support its ecosystem,
OR MAYBE IT HAS BEEN A FROZEN CLIMATE – which would explain the FROZEN donkey wheel, why that room was covered in ice! Polar Bears, etc!
As the Earth moves, all of the land remains stationary, but not the island, it moves at the same time, making it extremely special and IN NO WAY ABLE TO CONFORM TO A NORMAL CLOCK OR CALENDAR.
The post highbrow was refering to is here: http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/03/the-island-is-always-moving/
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The land remains stationary because it’s connected to the Earth. But the passing of day, night and the seasons doesn’t really have anything at all to do with the passage of time beyond being processes that can be measured against the passage of time. Those things could all stop happening. The Earth could stop rotating. Time would continue moving forward.
Have you ever been on a helicopter? I have and I can attest that while I was on the helicopter, suspended above the ground (disconnected from the Earth), time continued to pass normally.
I agree that the island cannot conform to a normal clock or calendar because, as I explained, I believe the island passes through time at varying speeds. But remember that clocks and calendars are just tools we use to keep track of the passage of time. They don’t actually make time move forward.
Ya but as you just mentioned
Time is all relative – without the Earth moving (rotating and revolving) we would have no such thing as time, it would be night or day permanently, and a particular climate everywhere depending on where you live (the Earth is on a titled axis).
Time passed normally on your helicopter ride because you were still watching the clock, relevant to the Earth’s movement.
We have different time zones to account for this situation exactly. IF YOU FLEW FROM NEWYORK TO CALIFORNIA ON A HELICOPTER YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR WATCH WHEN YOU GOT THERE – EVEN THOUGH TIME STILL MOVED FOWARD!
highbrow, what was the name of the man on ‘the freighter’ suffering from Temporal Displacement Disorder? That’s right, George Minkowski.
If, there was NO time difference WHY would Minkowski, Regina, and other ‘freighties’ have died because of it? Their consciousness were not travelling. This resulted in their leaving ‘the freighter’ and entering the ‘radius’ of ‘the island’.
And, who was George Minkowski named after? Perhaps, the man who shares his moniker; Hermann Minkowski!
From Wikipedia: In physics and mathematics, Minkowski space (or Minkowski spacetime) is the mathematical setting in which Einstein’s theory of special relativity is most conveniently formulated. In this setting the three ordinary dimensions of space are combined with a single dimension of time to form a four-dimensional manifold for representing a spacetime. Minkowski space is named after the German mathematician Hermann Minkowski.
In theoretical physics, Minkowski space is often contrasted with Euclidean space. While a Euclidean space has only spacelike dimensions, a Minkowski space has also one timelike dimension.
I am reasonably certain, the writers included this MAJOR clue for the viewers for a reason! I know you’ll still argue it, but…….
Yeah, but if you didn’t adjust your watch it wouldn’t really change anything.
The changing of the day, the changing of the seasons… these remind us of the passage of time. And I understand that these are caused by the Earth rotating on its axis and revolving around the sun. However, if we were able to reverse the processes and spin the Earth the other way, time would not go backwards. You would not be able to save Lois.
So time does not pass because the land we stand on moves with the Earth. Therefore, time wouldn’t pass any differently just because they island doesn’t move with the Earth. It passes differently for a completely different reason.
If you were to fly on your helicopter to California from New York right now, you would land and have to set your watch back 3 hours.
Timezones are how we make up for difference in time around the Earth. It can never be the same time in two different places because as I mentioned the Earth is always moving, so while you were in the helicopter and time was moving fowards, YOU STILL SET YOUR WATCH BACK 3 HOURS WHEN YOU REACHED YOUR DESTINATION
On LOST, the island is moving similarly to that of your helicopter, except FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT. So instead of setting your watch back 3 hours, the island moves so fast, it can be 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 years.
As Faraday said “there is not way to tell if we will be in the future or the past, and for how long” with the FDW being lodged, the island kept jumping around in different places around the Earth at different times – but time was always moving foward after the flash, they were not going in reverse.
Now that it has been unlodged, it is still moving, just at a normal rate – unnoticeable to any of the 1974 people.
-highbrow
if you did not change your watch back 3 hours when you got to california. You would be really confused about why it is starting to get dark at 430.
Similar to how confused the losties are, everytime they experience a flash!
You know its a 3 hour time difference so you’re not that screwed up by it, they have no idea how much of a time difference they have traveled! could be weeks,months or years!
Think about it a little!
it is very similar to how you can become sick from jetlag
the losties are experiencing such severe jetlag that their brains are hemmoraging as a result.
Of course I’m going to argue.
George Minkowski’s conciousness WAS travelling. Just like Desmond. He dies because he didn’t have a constant (or even know that he needed one).
From Lostpedia about Minkowski:
With the freighter anchored and no orders, Minkowski and fellow crew member Brandon decided to tour the Island and set out aboard the ship’s tender. Before reaching the Island, Brandon started “acting crazy”, forcing Minkowski to return to the freighter. Brandon subsequently died, and Minkowski too BEGAN TO SUFFER THE EFFECTS OF TIME-TRANSPORTED CONSCIOUSNESS, leading to his being strapped down in a bed in the freighter’s sickbay.
Me again:
This happened because he tried to go to the island through the barrier. The guy who went with him, Brandon, died. The others were going crazy probably because of their proximity to the island and the “time anomaly”…
I’ve thought about it a lot. It’s not jet lag or anything even similar to that. If I forget to change my watch when I travel to California (I have no idea why I would want to do that, but whatever) my watch would have the wrong time on it… but that doesn’t mean that more or less time has passed.
How much time were the Losties flashing (from their point of view)? They never tried to go to sleep or anything… the didn’t stop to eat that I noticed… didn’t seem long enough to really suffer from jet lag or anything like that…
I travel to and from Seoul from Detroit every year. I suffer from Jet lag. I leave Detroit and travel about 14 hours but I arrive 24 hours later (roughly). Then I fly back, travel for 14 hours and arrive about the same time I left (again, roughly). That’s some jet lag. It’s never killed me or caused even a nose bleed.
highbrow – its a theory, keep that in mind
What you said “If I forget to change my watch when I travel to California, my watch would have the wrong time on it
And we never see them sleep, eat or goto the bathroom lol because they only have roughly 43 minutes everyweek to give us a good show, and I think the writers have more important things to put in then scenes of the Sawyer Crew eating food and taking turns going to the bathroom.
lol highbrow, I rest my case! I am convinced you would continue to ‘flog’ a dead horse.
Key word, from Lostpedia: Because they physically left ‘the freighter’!
Those who did not physically leave ‘the freighter’ did NOT suffer from temporal displacement, and didn’t need a ‘constant’. Those who did leave, as you have pointed out, DID! Why, because they entered ‘the island’s’ time frame.
You acknowledged, with your own words, that the good Doctor washed up on shore, out of sync with time. So, I am not sure why you appear to be so conflicted.
I get that it’s just a theory. I thought that we were here to present and debate theories?
I’m trying to explain why I think your theory is not going to be the direction of the show. You’re trying to explain your theory to me over and over as if I don’t understand it. I do understand it.
Your theory relies on the Earth being the end all, be all of the universe. How could something travel at or above (or even anywhere near) the speed of light ON THE EARTH? Wouldn’t it fly off? Wouldn’t it be crushed by the inertia? Wouldn’t everything on it go flying off it when it started moving? If none of that happened wouldn’t it at least shoot of into space?
Lost time travel is probably explained by worm holes. The writers did go through the trouble of pointing out the exotic matter found on the island. A worm hole could have an entrance and exit that are in specific points in both space and time so if you started on the Earth you’d end up on the Earth. If they were travelling in time because they were travelling faster than light then they’d end up in a different time and a different place.
Who’s conflicted? Those who left the freighter felt the effects faster than those who didn’t.
I pointed out Doc Ray because he is out of sync in a very different way than Dans payload. But in general the island always seems to be at least close to outside time. This makes me think that the island isn’t actually jumping in time but rather surging and receding.
Dabs, the argument we’ve been having about time travel is one thing… honestly, we both have a chance to be right. Nobody really knows how it would work because we haven’t done it. There are very smart people out there who would take your side or mine and here it just depends on the direction the writers decide to go.
I mean this respectfully, I do… but this theory doesn’t work. Definitely not in the real world and mostly likely not in Lost. “This form is so severe it does not really exist therefore has no real name or symptoms.” The show is at least loosly based in reality… Besides, I thought they’d already done a pretty good job of explaining the nose bleeds and whatnot…
It’s time to go home… I’ll definitely check out this thread in the morning!
Yes we are here to present and debate
– I just thought you seemed like you were getting angry or something, if you’re cool I am cool, you’re keeping me interested (my job is boring) so…. keep it coming!
– The Earth is definitely not the end all of the universe. I just believe that LOST takes place on Earth, and has nothing to do with aliens or other dimensions.
– I really like the idea of Worm Holes, it makes sense. But when you said nothing can move at the speed of light – go flip a light switch! Is that not an example of electricity moving at “the speed of light” isn’t that where the term originates from, how electricity can move.
– I am not a physicist, I work as a manager for a promotional marketing firm in Manhattan. I am just throwing out ideas that compare to what I have seen and read in other books/movies/shows.
– Worm Holes vs. The Speed of Light
both theories are capable of allowing time travel, both good ideas. I think I may be starting to agree with you actually, but who knows, only TIME will tell!
– As for what you said about traveling at the speed of light. I don’t think you would fly off the planet into space, you are just moving around the planet really really really fast.
So fast that when the island “moved” from far way it looked to Hurley like it disappeared!
It could move through worm holes though! I just cant seem to theory it out the same way. Let me know!
The island maybe moving out of real space/time altogether into imaginary.
username – let me get some of what you’re smoking!
Hey Dabs, just reading your “Those who did not physically leave
pretty funny josh, i meant to say imaginary space/time, space or time.
highbrow, I already made my comment on Josh’s theory.
It was your comment and perception of the ‘time’ elements, I was disagreeing with and responding to.
Yes, you could be right, but I wouldn’t start celebrating, just yet! lol
Hey Bailey1227, you are absolutely correct about the bearings and the radiation. They are not quite the same in each instance.
What I am referring to, is listed below in Number 2. I hope that clarifies for everyone! It is somewhat confusing, I realize.
From Lostpedia: It describes 3 causes for temporal displacement.
Temporal displacement has three known causes, though the relationship between these causes is unknown. The first known cause, intense or prolonged radiation exposure, was mentioned by Daniel Faraday when trying to save Desmond Hume from the effects of temporal displacement. Daniel had determined this as a possibility several years earlier, when his rat Eloise died due to radiation-caused temporal displacement, which led to a cerebral hemorrhage. (“The Constant”)
The second known cause of temporal displacement is approach or proximity to the Island, whereby crewmembers of the freighter Kahana became afflicted. George Minkowski and Brandon were struck with temporal displacement while rowing toward the Island in the Zodiac raft. Brandon died soon after being afflicted, while Minkowski died several days afterward. Desmond Hume was struck with temporal displacement while flying in a helicopter away from the Island, though he was later saved from its fatal effects. (“The Constant”) Regina, afflicted with temporal displacement, committed suicide to escape the torturous effects. Captain Gault described the illness as “a heightened case of cabin fever”. (“Ji Yeon”)
Charlotte dies in Daniel’s arms, after experiencing rapid time flashes. (“This Place Is Death”)
The third and most often seen cause of temporal displacement is time travel. After Benjamin Linus turned the frozen wheel, the remaining survivors on the Island became unstuck in time, traveling corporeally to different time periods of the Island. Though there was no immediate reaction to this travel, Charlotte Lewis soon began experiencing headaches and double vision. Soon afterward, she began passing out and her nose began to bleed profusely. (“Jughead”) The other survivors eventually began to exhibit these symptoms, though at a much slower rate. Eventually, Charlotte was incapacitated, and died soon afterward. (“This Place Is Death”) The survivors were saved due to the cessation of the time travel, caused by John Locke once again turning the frozen wheel. (“LaFleur”)
Ok, I read abouthalf the comments, started to post, read the rest and erased my comment to write this one.
Josh, are you saying that the island is moving around the earth at the speed of light?
Are you saying that time on the island is different because of something a watch says?
And lastly, are you saying that the island, in all actuallity, is not moving in time?
Not being smart, just jumping in here, and got to catch up without rereading the same comments over and over.
BTW…highbrow, he should have let her die…harsh, maybe, but he could have focused more on his writing.
Josh, we have to talk. Hpoefully we can be on at the same time soon. I play these ‘tag’ games with highbrow and lose my train of thought half the time, I cannot do that with this particular theory. Ill be here all night.
AES – Haha I have to be honest, you are absolutely right, I got into a this whole convo with highbrow and got completely off topic and started saying ridiculous shit, other people at my office starting like throwing in their opinions, telling me what to type, things got a litte out of hand over here.
I dont even know what kind of nonsense I was saying, lets just say today was a slow day so i needed a distraction.
This is fun though!
Answer me a question before the others. How much do you believe, and by believe, i mean feel carries weight on the show, the science on Lost?
Thats a good question, I know that I once read somewhere that everything that happens on lost is has a real scientific explanation and is capable of happening in reality.
I am not sure if that was a quote from one of the writers or just a nonsense blogger but I wanted to believe it.
As soon as they started with this time travel stuff, just like heroes, I was a little disappointed. I dont mind flashbacks but time traveling becomes confusing. Theories about how time travel works and what happens if you change something like the butterfly effect.
I love lost so I would never stop watching, but I gave up on the idea that the scienctific proof carries any weight, now I am considering fictional theories, which I don’t mind, I love supernatural stuff.
Always was a fan of the black smoke monster. What the hell type of security system is that??
Lost science…Pierre chang Science. Do you trust him as a good informational source on and for the happenings on Lost?
As you pointed out earlier, “I don’t read much on here” I really just starting doing this because of the time travel stuff and how confusing the show became, I wanted to see what other people were thinking and then I came up with theories of my own.
I really do not know who Pierre Chang is or what type of information regarding lost he has provided.
Is there something you think I should read?
How many seasons of Lost have you watched? Again, not being smart, just need to see where we are.
every season
are we talking about the orientation film guy
Yes sir, the orientation film guy. I have to be honest, I really need to know what you percieve. Thats why I was asking if youve seen the whole show. I feel you may have missed something, and highbrow may have forgotten something. Otherwise this would have been discussed already.
I was never to sure what to think about those orientation films, nor do any of them stick out in my mind as a key to forming a theory. I think the scene where we actually see “the orientation film guy” in his home and getting ready to make the film, then being called to the orchid was more significant because we see Daniel was there when they orchid was built.
That guy obviously knows a lot about the orchid and the FDW, but he is not telling us in any orientation films. To my knowledge that is the only time we have seen him speak (excluding the season5 premiere where we see him making the film,etc)
Time travel is really ridiculous, it can be twisted and turned a million ways, and no one will ever be right because no one has ever done it.
Today got completely out of hand and I got no work done thanks to highbrow, jk highbrow, so I will prob be working my ass off tomr. later guys, I will def be on Wednesday!
I was thinking about my first theory, and even if Jacob was born in the DI to Amy, the others or hostiles w/e are probably going to kidnap baby Jacob (like Walt, Aaron, Alex) so he will become their leader anyway.
No matter what you do – whatever happened, will happen!
Do you remember the video that we saw in the season 4 finale. The one Locke watched in the orchid while Ben stuffed it full of metal like a turkey on thanksgiving?
ya of course, he was saying “w/e you do, do not put metal objects into the doorway”
so he is obviously hiding things from the DI, especially the new recruits sitting down for orientation!
AES – I would love to chat longer but I have to be going, talk to you tomr.
Again I know we will be posting Wednesday, every week is great!
No my boy, the part with the bunny…remember what he said about ol #15?
no what did he say about #15
your good! i cant walk away from the computer
“In our first demonstration, we will attempt to shift the test subject 100 milliseconds ahead (in) four-dimensional space. For the briefest of the moments, the animal will seem to disappear, but in reality… ”
And the video rewinds, almost as a metaphor, at least thats what my brain percieves it as…but their rewind rental fee is not the point.
The point is, Ol Chang (the orientation film guy) not only tells us, but shows us that the rabbit, much like the cabin, or the island, never really goes anywhere, it just appears that it does because our mind is not made to go with it. Our brain cannot move with the rabbit not because of the speed it moves, but because of the ability of the human mind to comprhend this move. Im sure that very shortly after that video was filmed, Bugs had a nosebleed and Elmer got his wabbit stew. He moved in time the way the cabin does, or even the isalnd. He felt the effects that all the other timetravelers to our knowledge on Lost have experienced, the brain hemmorage. The experiment was completed harnassing the properties of the island, and using them to perform the same trick on a smaller scale. The bunny is only move milliseconds, because Chang would most likely be afraid of the consequences.
And if nothing else, the other form of timetravel I have eluded to earlier, is Faradays experiment with the rat. This is a form of timetravel, that we have seen play a role with Desmond having gone back and spoken to Penny. Regardless of this is a design of fate, or science changing the past, its timetravel non the less. These all play into what we see occur on the island this season because they all experience the same effects.
Now…I am not disagreeing with your theory as a whole. Jacob is most likely trapped in some space/time rift, or whatever, but its just the logic to the movement of these objects that gets you there that I see error in.
Well, I either blew your mind or made you laugh, you can be the judge. Be light on the sentencing please ;]
A.E.S – I am back – Can’t wait for 2nite!
I definitely forgot about ol #15
but I do remember the constant episode where Faraday was all nutty and playing with rats (he named the rat Elloise – which is funny because I believe Elloise Hawkings is his mother) and he moved the rats mind to the future so he already knew the maze he was not going to be taught for another 20 min or so, however long.
The rat was flashed by a purple light, which reminded be of the purple light that fills the sky when the FAIL-SAFE key was turned.
Are you saying that you believe no1 has actually traveled in time, but in their minds they have?
In the terms of concience timetravel, yes. As for the physical seen on the show, no. I do think they are physically in the past on the show. But as for Desmond, and his mind time travel. This is referred to as ‘concience time travel’ by people for the reason given in the naming… ‘concience’.
This doesnt mean they dont experience it.
I see the different timetravels as two ways…physical, where their body mind and soul, physically travel from one timeperiod to another. They do not have to have existed to be in this time. Like the Losties going through various timeperiods before stopping in 74. But the concience travel is different. Mostly because this type,they cannot travel ANYWHERE other than where they have been before. They must have a relationship to their past selves in order to be in any time.
This little problem could be what you describe as Jacob being ‘stuck’. This is why I believe Jacob was concience jumping before his little problem he seems to have.
I just want you to know, that I really dont disagree with your destination of what jacob is experiencing. Just your road there. I commend you on a well thought out theory. The time and effort shows. I think that you are not a full blown Lost freak, like some of us. Well on your way though ;]
I think if you have seen all the episodes, you, like many, including myself, missed many small details. Those small details are the backbone of the show. A little more research, maybe another time through all the seasons, your thoughts and efforts WILL be much more accurate and more on point. Please, dont take this the wrong way AT ALL. Takes a lot to earn my respect here, not that it may mean anything to you, but I love your fight for your belief and your willingness to go the extra mile of a second theory on the subject.
(sigh) I unfortunatly agree with highbrow ;]
and have to say the speed of light timetravel is in a physical way, out of the Lost picture. I, even though Hawking said it, and many believe it, dont agree with the isalnd moving physically from location to location on the globe. At least as an explanation of timetravel. I have a rediculusly long black hole theory I have broken into a smaller thought on one of my theories. Many correct me and say wormhole. I think blackhole. Yes, I know the whole vacuum will rip you apart belief. But its my answer to the timetraveling island, and more importantly, timetraveling Losties. Nice job on this. You made me step back and think, and I appreciate your theory and thoughts.
Hey AES your back!
Of course this is just a theory, I don’t really know anything about Jacob or Richard except for what LOST has shown us.
I do consider myself to be a LOST freak, maybe not full blown, but I love the show and I love trying to figure out what is going on.
Before I found this website, I kept my theories to myself!
I think that you have an excellent understanding of what is going on with LOST, definitely concerning the science and mythology behind it.
I really appreciate you saying that you liked my theory, after reading some of yours I feel that is a huge compliment!
I am hoping after tonight I can come up with something else that will make you step back and think!
-check out under QUESTIONS – the discussion about Richard – his hair etc. and how he does not age, some really interesting idea on there, id like to see what you think.
Appreciate the compliments as well.
The lost frek thing I threw in only because of Changs (the man from the videos) name.
Your ‘hair’ theory…
It will be my next stop…
And please, read up on Chang as much as possible, the videos, the between season vids are available online as well. It will most likely be of the utmost importance leading into tonights episode…
Namaste!