BUILDING A BRIDGE BETWEEN PRO AND ANTI “LOOPERS”
Im just trying to clear up a misunderstanding of the word “timeloop”. I see timeloop as being when someone goes back to a past period in time. For as long as that person is in the past, that part of “time” is being replayed/repeated/reiterated/whatever word you would use to explain when something happens again. If someone travels back in time, whether pysical or mental, time is still repeating itself in the eyes of that particular person. The person does NOT have to be doing the same thing as before, especially if it is physical, because in that case..they couldnt.
Understand, I am not saying the people are going round and round, im saying that if 20 minutes of time gets replayed for an individual, that individual went through a 20 miute time loop of that particular period.
Saying that, I do not think were going to see, the plane crash again, from the perspective of the losties…unless one of them or more conciousness time travels the way Desmonds did. But I dont think were going to see them relive their entire lives, or the entire crash period, or anything for eternity, like I think, at least my idea of a timeloop is being misconstrued into.
I have always said, against some people, that time travel would play a role in Lost. I have always believed in the timeloop theory, but not the never going to end idea. Just that the aspects of timetravel into the past, must, in some way cause a loop in that specific period that was revisited and in doing so, cause a crack, in the space time continuom…and I think that is the scientific struggle inside of lost. Not so much course correcting, but patching the crack.
As for the spiritual struggle…that is character centric, completly fiction (with the exception of some great names for the characters) and a whole…nother…series…of theories.
Thank you and I hope this helps to clear up my view and at least bring me a step closer to gaining perspective and understanding of the “non loop believers”. So many great theories I think on both sides of the spectrum are washed away, because as soon as the word “loop” comes into play, the discussion immediatly switches to that word and contaminates anything else discussed in a theory, whether ‘pro’ or ‘anti’ loop.
AES, thank you for the clarification. You explained things rather nicely, I think.
So your saying that A time loop is when someone travels back in time and the time they spend is the loop?
Seems like you are talking about time travel by these individuals and not much more. A time loop to me is the same thing happening forever on one continuous LOOP.
Sounds like your walking on the fence not building it. OK let me have it.
AES, I am posting the following information, which I used to base my theory on. I like to substantiate my claims with research.
Hope it is helpful!
(from Wikipedia)
A time loop or temporal loop is a common plot device in science fiction (especially in universes where time travel is commonplace) in which time runs normally for a set period (usually a day or a few hours) but then skips back like a broken record. When the time loop
Nice Dabs. It goes on to say….Types of Time Loops
First Physical time loop : In a physical time loop the SPACETIME loops around to form several Closed-Timelike-Curves.Since the time in that region is looped, You could only escape it by leaving the effected area. Also there would be an infinite number of copies of ANY matter in the area, unless an object left the loop. Compass?
Conscious time loop: In a conscious time loop everyone’s consciousness loops through time. Causality could easily be violated.
Thanks, OnTopOfOldSmokey! I did read the entire article, and selected what I felt was applicable to make my case.
It’s really hard to write a theory which encompasses all of the information, without making it too long and/or dry, dare I say.
The compass and causality also play a part in our beloved story. It seems to fit.
Have we made you a believer, yet?? lol
The honest point of my theory is simply to stop the discussion of ‘timeloop’ everytime a theory has the word in it and it is about something else. Truthfully, i could care less what people think in regards to me believing there is a ‘timeloop’. Its just when other reasonable theories present themselves, include the word ‘timeloop’ in a way indirect from their theory, and momentum switches from a solid theory to a timeloop discussion.
Truth is, what Dabsi just said there is EXACTLY what I think is going on. (btw..thank you Dabs, and nice new pic) And if there is no other piece of evidence pointing toward it, you know aside from Des, or Faraday, or Locke, how about Horace. Good old Horace, cutting down the same tree over and over and over and ove and over and over and over again. Oh..Im sorry, I didnt mean to repeat myself or ‘loop’ the same words together in a row like that. I just dont know how else to explain a person on a magical time traveling island, cutting down a tree that magically configures itself back together in the blink of an eye…Anyone want to explain that without a timeloop explanation, because I would love to here it. Ive been trying to figure it out, and as I googled “trees magically regrowing instantaniously”, “immortal trees”, “hallucinations of deads people cutting down trees”, and “a magicians guide to reappearing trees”, I just ran out of options. So, I’ll just wait for realistic, scientific, religious, or sci-fi answers to this problem. In case you forgot what i was talking about, i mean Horace, cutting down the same tree and it magically reapearing…over, and over, and over..like its just happening..almost in a…circle..over, and over, and over, and over, and……………
Dabs, I don’t believe I ever denied any loop theory It would be difficult seeing what has been represented so far.
Matter fact everything’s on the table in my opinion. The producers themselves are always reversing opinions.
Anyway A.E.S. I would have stopped after the first paragraph of your theory. Because it was in my opinion A right on GUT feeling whats truly happening in our story. btw creepy ass eye.
OTOS, i am all for the ‘loop’ discussion, and i am more than willing to go there on ANY of my theories. I just hate to see new people enter the site and get put in the corner because they believe in the loop, even if its not what their theory is about. I am now kind of dedicating a little of my theory time to…give the ‘loop’ idea more perspective.
btw..eye appreciate the compliment on my creepy ass eye :]
AES, no worries. I’ll always be around to give you CPR too, should you require it. lol
I agree with your statements about the ‘dreaded’ time loop word.
OT, (had to shorten it) I agree with you. Nobody knows for certain which way it’ll play out. It’s anyone’s game at this juncture. I felt it was compelling stuff and should be put on the table for discussion and debate!
MOUTH TO MOUTH and AGREEMENT ON LOST THEORIES…i may never leave this place
Hell yeah you got a creepy ass eye. And it was 4 sure a compliment.
Who isn’t for the LOOP discussion. I’m for the KATE discussion. Bam!
funny, i took the red out at first and then thought ahh what the hell, looks creepier that way. glad to know someone shares my thoughts..and as for a kate discussion…i recall seeing a hottest guy theory in fun, so…
lol AES, you must never leave!
I also luv the ‘eye’ pic!
I don’t get it. as far as i can tell you think of a time loop as someone travelling back in time. when really it means a period of time looping, and being played over and over again. but yet you don’t like it when people don’t agree on your non-accurate view on time loops?
i dont ‘not like’ anything. Your view is, well..your view and mine is mine. I actually think at least 1 peron IS in the type type you described, but i guess its just my opinion…’time’ will tell
yes my view is mine and yours is yours. we all know this. I’m just confused at what you want us to try to understand. You have a very different definition to the term “time looping” then other people. so yes, that is going to cause you some frusteration i’m sure. “Time” will not tell. The definition on a time loop is this: “which time runs normally for a set period (usually a day or a few hours) but then skips back like a broken record. When the time loop “resets”, the memories of most characters are reset (i.e. they forget all that happened)”.
As long as your definition for time looping remains “when someone goes back to a past period in time.”, you are always going to be annoyed with us.
Hi Bailey1227, the description you provide, is the same as the one I based my theory on, (posted above),in support of it’s a time-loop, from Wikipedia.
This is what the pro time-loopers subscribe to, because it seems to fit best with the story line, if you think about it.
I don’t think anyone is annoyed, and it isn’t to say that ALL things we see on Lost, point to time-loops, exclusively. Because they don’t.
We all know that many different aspects are at play with the story. This is only one of them.
I feel the post is meant to be helpful, and to clarify why the pro-loopers are subscribing to this avenue of thought.
this post is more to do what it says, bridge. Meet halfway on this for the sake of other theories being lost in the topic. Im more than happy to wax timeloop talk on the horace and magic tree post
this was actually not intentionally made for argument sake, and i actually dont agree with my own writing here, but i do agree with the ‘true’ timeloop definition as you previously stated.
Dabs:
AES writes “bring me a step closer to gaining perspective and understanding of the
Thanks AES! sorry, i was writing my last post while you wrote yours lol
lol bailey1227, I know you were not being offensive at all.
To be honest with you, it is all so very difficult to absorb. The writers have thrown so much at us, in a few short episodes.
One way or the other, Lost itself, is going to sort it out for us all eventually, anyway.
im going to be know help here, but you all have to realise your discussing, some may say arguing, over something that doesnt exist, everyone has diffrent answers therefore.
i think therefore….i am…..right!
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