Don’t You Just Love Reunions!
Well, so much for the joyous reunion between Sawyer and Jack. Once all the hugs were exchanged, the ground rules were established rather quickly. Things certainly have changed in the past three years. Not only for those who remained on ‘the island’ but also for those who abandoned it.
Sawyer was quick to send Jack his warm welcoming into Dharma, by appointing him as a Janitor, sending a clear and concise message. That must have brought Jack down a few notches, considering his main ‘claim to fame’ in his prior life was, his identity as a top notch Spinal Surgeon. However, we witnessed Jack lose that identity completely with his descent into drugs, alcohol, sadness, remorse and guilt on the outside world.
Once Jack had resigned himself to returning to ‘the island’, he likely thought, he would be welcomed back as the ‘forgotten hero’. However, that was not to be, as we quickly learned from Sawyer’s reaction to him. Sawyer lays out the rules, in very short order. He lets Jack know that he is the ‘man in charge’ and they are ‘his people’. The look on Sawyer’s face spoke volumes, and his words were menacing. He verbally chastises Jack, for his lack of leadership and reactionary choices in the past. Sawyer lets him know, he considers himself a much more effective leader than Jack ever was.
Jack is maintaining a calm demeanor for the moment, but underneath that coolness, he is seething with resentment and jealousy. He sees Sawyer, a man he feels less than himself, who has gained respectability, likeability, and a role as a true leader, and in the arms of his old flame, Juliette. He could suffer no further blow to his delicate and fragile ego. He will attempt to find a way to usurp Sawyer’s leadership eventually, because that is Jack’s nature.
These years off-island provided Jack with no opportunity for growth in his life. He made companions out of a couple of ‘bottles’. He really was left with no alternative, but to return to ‘the island’, because he’d essentially lost it all, and there was nothing left for him to lose, except life itself. He had lost Kate, Aaron, his career, and his all-important identity of himself. Now, Jack is back on ‘the island’, seeing Sawyer as the man who has it all. What a humbling experience for him.
Quite the contrary, the past three years have been very relaxing and enjoyable for Sawyer. He settled in and adapted very nicely to his new surroundings and life. It’s quite a transformation from his previous days as a con man, hated man, lonely man, and bitter man to his present day status in Dharma, even if it is 30 years in the past.
Sawyer could have left ‘the island’ on the submarine, and he chose not to leave. He is a realist, and knew there was nothing for him to return to on the outside world. He knew that much, when he elected to drop out of the helicopter when the ’06’ left ‘the island’. When Kate initially questions him why he leaves with Locke’s group, over remaining in Jack’s group, his response to her was, ‘I’m doing what I’ve always been doing Kate, surviving’.
Sawyer always knew how to survive, and blending in with Dharma and staying one step ahead of them, and ‘the others’, is easy living for a man like him.
Sawyer is in ‘his’ element. He has everything life never previously afforded him beyond his wildest expectations, including love. He is finally at peace with himself at long last. He will be very reluctant, to allow Jack or anyone else to threaten that peace and jeopardize his future, regardless of what time frame he is living in.
He will be as formidable an opponent for Jack, as he was a con man to anyone he targeted in his former life. Never mind ‘the incident’, there is an internal fire brewing, that is about to ignite into a raging inferno.
It makes me wonder, if the real enemy they are going to be fighting is, the enemy within!
Yeah I think Sawyer is about to choke. Why no plan. he can con but wont con the Island or Jack. To me Jack looks as cool as ever and has a new direction. Sawyer sits on his chair and grumbles in his self pity because big bad Jack is back interrupting his little World. Well Sawyer to bad, Jack knows whsts up and it’s wriiten all over him. Sawyer is alraedy having those same issues he had when he tried to beat up Sayid the first time they crashed because he thought he was a terrorist. Yeah I put my money on Sawyer. not
Good read. I think a little friendly tension is okay between them, and the irony is funny now that Sawyer is in charge. Almost as funny as the irony with Ben visiting an imprisoned Sayid who pretends to be an Other, when we see in season 2 Sayid visiting an imprisoned Ben pretends NOT to be an Other.
Question: Sawyer – Head of Security – is in charge of choosing jack’s job?
OT, I think Sawyer’s old insecurities are emerging and Jack knows this. However, jack now has a few ‘demons’ of his own, to deal with.
There is a truck load of animosity between these two men, in part because of their love triangle with Kate.
It should be quite the showdown!
cappayne, It’s hard not to note, the role reversals which are being played out.
Not only between Jack and Sawyer, but other characters as well.
Sawyer arranged for all of the paperwork, so yes, he did choose Jack’s profession! lol
Jack won’t be forgetting that slight anytime soon. Did you see the look on his face, in addition to his words! Workman! Sounded an awful lot like Roger Linus!
Sawyer is already looking desperate to me and that makes him weak. He can’t control Jin, Radinsky and now that Kates back he has real promblems. I dont see him leading a line to lunch. Especially when Ben stars stickin his nose in everyone’s buisness.
Haha yes it does. It seems as if Jack and Mr. Linus go “way back”…
OT, Sawyer was definitely asserting his authority. He doesn’t want to chance anything with Jack. He knows what he is up against.
He is seeming like he is weak right now, because this is all such an unexpected surprise to him, however as a professional con man, he is able to skillfully re-group those apparent shortcomings, and make them work.
I predict that dear old Ben, will use this to proper advantage!
I definitely see the parallels with some of the former Dharma characters.
It’s too soon to say what I think about that, but I think I might be onto something.
Dabsi…Seriously!?!?! You are so great!
Yes, you picked up on everything and then some that had me thinking last night. There was so much subtly put before us, rather than bright flashing lights and nosebleeds and eerie sounds. This is one of the huge, yet possibly understated, undetected to some, plotlines that could actually take us somewhere. I felt it as I saw Jack walking to Sawyer’s house and especially as he left.
Jack does not like NOT being in charge. It has been the biggest turnoff for me, as you obviously know. 2004 Jack made some choices, that Sawyer PERFECTLY called out as “reactions”, previously on the island that became all about him even though he was crediting it to ‘saving the people…’
That Jack then got off island, life unravels and he finds himself aligned with Ben…shudder…and back on island shortly thereafter.
If this is not another bomb waiting to go off, I don’t know what else is.
The guy is going to ‘react’ to these new scenarios here quite soon, I am sure of it.
Yeah I get it Dabs. It’s just funny because I just mentioned on a nother thread how I was going to post a theory that Sawyer is rite back where he started from then this popped up. So caught me off guard, But hey I’m the guywhith the clone theory that u saved from self destruction on this very site so cheers.
I still think Sawyer road will be short. He has absolutely no leadership qualities and if Coning is at the top of his resume then that’s not good. And as for him being surprised of the returning Losties is why he seems weak to my way of thinking the fact that he WAS surprised by that is a weakness. He is the head of security on an Island where he was flashing and time jumping he should be prepared for anything
kimberly, I could not help but think of you when I saw the episode. I know how much you like ‘character’ theories, so it was only befitting that I dedicated this to you!
Sawyer, totally called Jack on ‘his stuff’, and I had to give him full props for that!
As much as Jack claims to detest the role of leader, he will be so quick to try and de-throne Sawyer, because that is what Jack needs to do! He did it to his own father, for crying out loud!
Jack must reign supreme! I think now that time has passed some of Sawyer’s old insecurities will be raised, in terms of Kate, however, Sawyer is now a different man.
The only person who is capable of ‘stirring’ the proverbial pot, at this point, would be Ben.
So, count on Ben making sure they are all at each others throats! What time is it? I can’t wait for the drama to begin!
OT, I wrote this early today. I always have a few things on the back burner, and post when the mood strikes. And, I am glad you stayed with us, and are contributing as I knew you could!
Yes you are right about Sawyer being defensive. He would never have been so vindictive towards Jack if he were secure in his own right.
The way I see it is, Sawyer’s apparent weakness can easily be turned into his major strength!
Don’t count him out, just yet! I think, even though he may fall short, he will be able to give Jack a good run for his money, when he gets a taste of reality!
Sawyer is not going to lose all he has gained. He simply is not the same Sawyer. Jack will have to gain a ‘hunger’ very quickly, or Sawyer will take him down!
It was such an interesting episode because it is tying the characters back into the “WHY” part of the mysteries of the show. For as much time as we can go in circles (yes, for the heck of it I’ll say ‘loops’) debating timelines…or even for as much time as we follow symbolism and clues about what could be going on…and especially, for as much time is spent trying to explain the show where extensive research on Wikipedia is required… 😉 (that includes myself!) …
It was a turning point to bring back some of the “WHY” things have happened, will happen and COULD happen in the upcoming episodes and storylines. It’s because it’s all about the choices the characters have made and will make.
(That is why time and time again I will stand on the side of course correcting and changing the future is inherently possible on a show with such diverse and connected characters.)
It’s always good Dabs. Thanks for support. I’ m not hating on Sawyer I just miss the one from just before the Island began to skip. That was the Sawyer that new his role right next to the Lockster. BTW I’m sure this has been brought up, But the episode Sawyer says, “I’m Surviving” was the one where Charlie had just died and Sawyer said that line in a European accent like Charlie’s
Okay, back to the Sawyer – Jack conversation now.
I wanted to add a couple of things that I am curious about.
– Ben’s role as manipulator between J/S has already been seen (Jack watching Kate/Sawyer in the cage) for the purpose of Ben getting what he wants out of one/both of them.
– Adding on this Ben connection…So Jack will be in with Roger Linus as a “Workman” – what will his response be? Will he actually choose to protect Ben, knowing what Ben has the power to do in years to come?
– We’ve seen Sawyer sacrifice himself once already for Kate and for his friends by jumping out of the helicopter. I (sadly) pick up on this as possible foreshadowing now for whatever “Incident” may occur in rectifying the timelines, protecting his friends, ensuring that time/life moves forward for others beside himself.(Poor Jackie, this sounds like a real hero to me.)
kimberly, I agree with your statements. Without the characters, all of the ‘science’ and ‘faith’, time travel discussions and debates hang in the air.
True change, if there is to be any, must come from the characters themselves. Knowing the dynamics is, key in order to solving that mystery!
The interactions, choices, and decisions ‘the players’ make, will effect whatever happens.
So, understanding them and what motivates them is important.
I truly believe that they may provide in their own undoing, if the situations we currently see are not resolved.
But, maybe that’s the way it has always been. ‘Free choice’ is available to all human beings. That is where they will either rise above or fall short.
Dabsi, nicely done!
I think the best part is, Jack had it all off the island too. His old job, the woman of his dreams, a child (sort of). He was living the dream. He and Kate had enough money for anybodys storybook dream life…
But what happened, the island happened. Or something on the island. It called to them, one by one. It made Hurley crazy. If only the poor guy knew everyone else, at least Jack and Kate, were going as crazy as he.
That is the only true difference I really see in Jack. The fact that the entire show, all he did was try and escape the island…then does nothing, but try and return.
OT, you are a delight, and I would give you my support any day of the week. I see your unique qualities! You are indeed very special to me.
I have to agree with you, about past Sawyer! I miss that guy too! However, I am happy that he is happy right now.
I do see that changing rapidly in the near future, though!
Ha! just thought of something funny.With the parallel Dharma, and maybe others, characters in general, This is seriously a joke. What if, oh man, what if Jim Lafleur, James Ford, Tom Sawyer, is Tom! lol…
How funny would it be if the casanova who got every important woman in his time to fall for him, turns out to be gay. Im not being mean in anyway, please no one be offended. If you think about it, Tom would be a head of security type as well! On top of that, theres the scene where Kate of all people acts like he is going to do something to her, and Tom responds with “You’re not my type.” lol
On top of that, Sawyer kills him!
Sorry, I know its dumb. Just very seldom do I find something funny like this. All probably think Im nuts.
Seriously a joke I couldnt help but throw in for a laugh.
Your ideas are great, I just cant help but think weird things sometimes, lol.
kimberly, I wouldn’t count on Sawyer making those same sacrifices for Kate, as he once did. However, love is strange!
Jack, on the other hand, may rise to the occasion, by the very fact he is being humiliated. He has something to prove, not only to himself, but to win back the respect he once had!
Ben will use them ALL to his advantage. This may be the true tale of how Roger Linus became so jaded! The question is, will Ben become a different man, in the process? Ha!
I see the parallels happening all around. I will also do something on Sayid, etc.
Poor Hurley, who was referred to as crazy, appears to be the only one who is keeping his wits about him. For the time being, anyway! lol
Ok, gotta ask on this post. I think I may know some of your answers.
Do you believe they will change the past on lost?
AES, I have to agree with your assessment of Jack. Poor Jack, seemed to have it all, and let it slip away. It’s hard not to draw the same parallels with his own father, who did much of the same thing.
Like father, like son!
Perhaps, Jack had no say in his calling, anymore than Christian did! I see these two as ‘fated’, more than any other characters. They certainly don’t seem to embrace their destinies.
Will that change?
AES, that may not be as funny as you think! you are very astute! Do you not see the parallels between characters forming?
I will go out on a limb, and say that I do! In fact, I am wondering, if our ‘losties’ are not somehow replacements for the originals.
Almost, as if Karma is playing out! A role reversal of sorts!
I think so. I think Jack, like John, may be willing to accept the role destiny and fate have dealt him. I think the first step, was realizing he had to go back. Whether its to save the world, save the island, or save himself, I think Christians role as father was beating Jack down, using reverse psychology, and Ben like mind games, to make Jack into the man he is to become.
It may take a visit with Dad, or the death of someone close to realize this. Im thinking Locke or Sawyer.
Jack has it in him. He is made to fix things, and his biggest fix is yet to come.
AES, you know they are going to change it! to me, that is a no-brainer, despite what the critics may say.
How do you view the thought of changing a person, what do you think it would be like on lost. Im going somewhere with this, stay with me Dabsi.
AES, I like what you say about Jack! You are right about him.
He will, if anything, attempt to fix the whole darn thing! That is who Jack is. A creation, of what his father made him!
That’s all I wanted was a little attention from ya Dabs. You guys have fun. Im out
AES, what I think about that is, like Karma we live many lives. The roles and previous themes played out, is reversed when it comes around again!
That was a definite ‘play’ on those words! Think what ‘the whispers’ are always saying, “it will come around again”.
Do you believe Daniel changed something when he talked to Des about his mother outside the hatch?
AES, I hope you are right and have thought previously along the same lines. If Jack is our main guy, all connected to the island and such, he’s going to have to figure something out as this ‘new’ (to us and him) timeline is running its course…fated for the Purge, fated for little Ben to grow into big bad Ben, fated for 815 crashing, etc.
Kim, what is your input on change, and the question posed on Dan and Des?
AES, for whatever it’s worth…
Your question about Daniel changing anything with Des.
Quick answer: yep.
How would you explain it assuming he DIDN’T change it…what would it mean?
Simoposting….
Night, OT! You got my attention! lol
AES, I definitely think something changed when Daniel spoke to Desmond.
First off, Daniel is responsible for Desmond’s impending return to ‘the island’. Desmond will also use his knowledge to promote the necessary changes!
I believe this is what will turn things all around.
Whatever happened in the past, is hard to deny, especially when you see Christian greet Sun & Lapidus in 2007 in the meeting centre, that is destroyed. Apparently, there was no future past this date on ‘the island’.
I think most people didn’t make that connection.
So we, at least the three of us are in agreement, that Des woke up a different man of sorts, with his newfound knowledge?
I totally agree that he did!
Agreed.
AES, as you say that “Des woke up a different man of sorts (changed) with his new found knowledge…”
…are you at all correlating this to time?
😉
Well then, I have something that could explain a bit of foreshadowing from a literary reference that was touched upon and possibly forgotten about…something that would also classify as an allusion on Lost…a deeper meaning than first thought…something that could explain that he really is a different man…
“Chapter II, Pool of Tears, “Dear, dear! How queer everything is to-day! And yesterday things went on just as usual. I wonder if I’ve been changed in the night? Let me think: was I the same when I got up this morning?.”
Ha AES, I can’t place the reference, but I know it.
I absolutely do think this! And, I have an idea of who that man might be!
Hey, anyone seen Widmore lately??
Nice work!
Alice in Wonderland…
am I right?
The reference is from Alice in Wonderland. The very story that Jack was reading Aaron in “Theres no Place Like Home”. I cant help but think the fact that Jack is reading that very line to Aaron as he falls asleep, means something more. This also happens to be right about the time Jack starts really doubting himself, Kate, and his decision to leave.
Could something have happened that is different now, that changed his concience decision?
I know about Christian, but the others, Kate and Hurley had revelations along the same lines. Did more than just Desmond wake up a different person somehow?
simoposting kim ;]
AES, think of what kimberly just posted about Christian!
Christian appears to be taking on the role of Jacob, almost as if he IS Jacob!
The characters are inter-playing.
Awe, it seems like we are all on the same page, even though we are simoposting!
I love it!
Ladies, I must go for the night. Just wanted to give you some extra ammo to use on the believers of non change. Have a good night…
I’m dying to know where this is going, but unfortunately I am long past my bed time, also!
Totally enjoyed this conversation! You guys are my life line to Lost! Night all!
Interesting here AES…
Like maybe they had a memory of sorts?
One thing to clarify…did Christian appear to Jack in the hospital AFTER Locke had come back and said, “Your dad says hello?” I could not remember the timeline as I chew on this thought of “what” could have happened to trigger a change…
Agreed. Great correlation – or ammo, sure 😉
More to come on this…I’m sure!
Argh! I read through all of that and I think I must be the only one who read the scene between Jack and Sawyer totally differently!
When Jack leaves Sawyer’s house, he seems genuinely happy NOT to have to lead.
Sawyer was the one who was reactionary… Jack comes in to say “okay we’re here, now what?” and Sawyer gives him the smack down to a point that if he’d done it to me, I’d have back handed his rude ass. I was hoping for Sawyer, but now his con-man charm is turning into a desperate attempt to cling to a life he’s built for himself, a life that’s about to be torn apart by the arrival of people he never wanted to see arrive but always knew probably would.
I always had a middling tolerance for Sawyer’s con-man thing, but last night I decided I don’t much like Sawyer.
Hm. I was glad to see him put Jack down. I’ve never liked Jack but I’ve been starting to like Sawyer since the end of Season Four.
Jack is dumb. All he can do for the Losties is screw things up. Just like he screwed things up before. Sawyer has at least gotten things to a point where those who are stuck in the past are happy… Now Jack is all “Ok, we’re here… time to give all that up”…
sohrshah, I totally get what you are saying, and the scene could be interpreted that way.
However, everything you know about Jack, and what his driving motivation, should tell you otherwise.
Yes, Sawyer is intimidated by Jack. Jack had everyone following him, way back when. Sawyer is not quite comfortable when it comes to rivaling Jack. He never was! From the beginning, these two had their major differences, especially when you throw Kate into the mix.
Jack, is biding his time, before he makes a move, and he will be plotting strategy with Kate. Count on it!
It’s hard to be objective, when you have likes/dislikes for the characters.
I understand how you feel about Sawyer, and yes he gave Jack a verbal bashing. But, the way I see it, old Jackie boy, finally got his comeuppance. He totally had it coming, IMO!
Watching the drama unfold between the two of them, will be great television.
I don’t know which one of them will emerge victorious.
lol highbrow, we were simoposting! I completely agree with you. I felt no pity for Jack whatsoever.
Perhaps, Sawyer’s words will turn him around, but somehow I doubt it!
Jack is so stubborn, that even if his own ‘daddy’ were to try and point him in the right direction, he would take the other ‘fork’ in the road! Just because! lol
Well, considering that Jack’s Dad and Sister are in the cabin, I’m going to bet on Jack to be the true Shepard.
Others here see his “betrayal” of his father as being a usurper of Christian’s power. I see it as doing the right thing.
Jack is going to have to learn a few things- and maybe from Sawyer- in order to become a better leader. Or, a better hero. Being the hero and being the leader are not one in the same, as Sawyer himself proved.
In my opinion, the scene sets up Sawyer as the new Jack, and Jack as the new Locke for 1977.
I think Jack, on some level, believed that they weren’t supposes to leave the island. I think he knew it was true when John told him. The problem is that he didn’t have the guts to make that tough decision. He’s smart and could probably get along on his own pretty well but he can’t make decisions for a group. He doesn’t have what it takes, just like his father told him.
Sawyer, on the other hand, also knows that they need to stay on the island. Not only can he make that decision for himself but he also successfully convinced the rest of his crew to stay as well. We saw the conversation he had with Juliet. He didn’t con her into staying. He convinced her. He can do that because he’s a good leader.
His skills as a con man come in handy, that’s for sure. The survival of him and his crew depends on a lie that he had to tell. There is no way a guy like Jack could maintain that.
If I were one of the Losties I’d feel much more comfortable now knowing that Sawyer is calling the shots and Jack is cleaning the toilets.
sohrshah, you are making the right connections with the ‘changing’ of roles between the characters!
I am presenting how things are between Jack and Sawyer at present. But, the story isn’t over yet! There is a long way to!
Predictability of the characters is, a given at this point.
It will all boil down to who has learned what, and how they apply that knowledge.
As much as we would like to see them on the same page, as they once were, ‘time’ has a way of changing things.
A leader does what’s best for his people. He leaves doing “the right thing” to others if he needs to. And it’s not always necessary that the hero and the leader be the same person.
You are so right about Jack and Sawyer, highbrow!
Your read on these two is completely accurate!
Sawyer brings something to the mix, Jack never had, and I doubt he ever will.
Jack only seems to learn his lessons, by way of chaos, pain and drama.
highbrow, I agree with you about the difference between hero and leader, being very different things.
I view Jack as somebody who thinks he is acting in the best interest of others, much like Kate Austen. However, both Jack and Kate, don’t appear to really think about what other people really want or need, they assume what is best, based upon their own needs, wants and desires. They are selfish beings.
That has and will work to theirs and others detriment.
Hopefully Jack will also be able to learn though manual labor…
“Hey, Jack! Mr. LaFleur just finished up in the bathroom… get in there, clean things up and do something about the smell. And when you’re done drop off a case of DHARMA beer at his house! Don’t you give me that look… just do what you’re told! If you wanted a better job you should have done better on your tests.”.
Dying with laughter over that one! If there was any move Sawyer could have pulled off, that could tickle my heart as much as that did, I doubt it very much!
“Hey, Doc we’re out of toilet paper over here”! “Can you ‘jockey’ some up for us, on your next bedpan rounds”.
Just hilarious!
Making fun of Jack is so much fun. For the longest time it seemed like everyone loved him and they wouldn’t let me make fun of him.. but now he’s kind of a mess, so it’s cool.
One thing I’ve notice about him is how much older he’s looking now…
I feel the same way! At one point, fans ‘immortalized’ Jack.
I am glad that he is finally being viewed as a mere mortal.
Whereas I used to think Jack was an ostrich with his head in the sand and a placeholder for “normal” people to be able to access the show. Now he seems more capable of being involved with far more important goings on than telling people what to do.
As everyone else learns to hate Jack, I’m learning to respect him. I can empathize with Sawyer’s situation, but I think that he and Juliet are both con artists and not good people.
I guess that makes me a selfish person, because he way I see it, Sawyer and Juliet are the selfish people. I’m going to be alone in my thinking that Sawyer is exactly what he always appeared to be: a jerk.
Jack is a poo poo head! nyah!
Pierre: “Mr. Shephard, may I have a word with you?”
Jack: “It’s Doctor Shephard.”
Pierre: “Yeah, right! That is so cute! You’re very special, little guy… but seriously, get over here and clean this up. By bunnies came into contact with each other and blew up! Rabbit guts everywhere! I guess you could say they had a little ‘incident’… ha ha… get to work!”
sohrshah, I don’t think anyone hates Jack, at least I know I don’t.
I agree with what you have to say about Jack, in terms of his readiness to accept some responsibility of a different nature.
Many of us, have had to sit back and keep out thoughts to ourselves, because of the ‘hero worship’ status given to Jack by his loyal fans.
Forgive us, in our little moment of indulging in delight! At heart, Sawyer may still be and may always be a con man, but he reached ‘hero’ status of his own, by having ‘the stones’ to put Jack in his place!
If that makes him a jerk, I am okay with that for the moment!
Jack will once again, ‘dance’ in the sun at some point.
Sohrshah – I get what you are saying about Jack’s belief that he is doing “the right thing” and the example of him with Christian in the OR is a good one. I just think that Jack has taken this desire to the point of arrogance, and has misused this desire into a determination that becomes HIS way, rather than it just being “the right thing.” That is the interesting place that he is at now.
Back on the island, people have died, they are in a timeline and situation where death and disaster is right around the corner (since we know what is coming). There is an incident, a purge, and all the while…now a missing 316 plane from his perspective. There is also a fragile situation between Dharma and the Hostiles/Others.
Jack’s inclination to do the “right thing” is going to be put to the ultimate test.
At least last time on island, they began with simply the group from 815 and then started to discover who else was on the island. His ability to lead the people, or solve issues, or take the reigns in deciding where to go, etc. was much simpler, in a way.
I don’t necessarily think he was thankful or relieved to not have to lead, I think it builds this tension that the guy can not NOT just let everything happen around him without him trying to get involved.
I truly hope that this is the opportunity for Jack to redeem himself. It sure seems like it is since we know he has a greater purpose and connection on island.
Oh and if Jack starts muttering “whatever happened, happened…” then I’ll know that its game over for him. He’s not going to buy into that, I just have a feeling…
Jack is only doing, what Daddy has beat into his head, prove people wrong. Jack did something, that regardless of the consequences, no one else could do. Got off the island. It obviously didnt work out for him, because as Sawyer said, ‘look where it got ya..’
But this is Jacks role. Jack has been put down his whole life. Being a spinal sugeon has taught him patience and intelligence in dissecting his problem. His fathers degrading has taught him how to prevail in ngativity. He has been left by the woman he loved, Sarah, all because he needs something to ‘fix’ all the time.
HIS JOB IS TO FIX THINGS.
I think his Shephard name may mean more, but it is not his destiny. His hero/leader roles overlap in the past because he didnt understand. He’s a man of his word, and he said he would get everyone off the island. He said he would lead them. His visions of his father haunted him because he knew, that his happiness meant nothing, because he broke his promise.
Poor Jack. He didnt have to come back. Mr Lafleur walks the walk now, but he is in the dark on things that have not happened yet. I think it may take Locke’s return to sway Sawyer. To make him understand that what he is doing is not right either. He knows that Locke was willing to sacrifice himself to save them, and may allow more influence from him than Jack the workman.
And John knows that Jack has a more signifigant role to play, than cleaning up after Sawyer.
AES, you make a very good point about Jack and Locke in this scenario!
I don’t see Sawyer bending to Jack’s wishes anytime soon! I think it would have to take John Locke’s re-emergence onto the scene to convince Sawyer, (who presently believes Locke is dead), that he is being unreasonable, and to put his differences aside.
The same should be said for Jack. He will be very surprised to see Locke resurrected.
Locke has always tried to convince Jack to do the right thing, and point him down the right path. Although, Sawyer had his differences with Locke, seeing Locke come back to life, ought to set him straight, in a real hurry!
Perhaps, Jack needs to suffer a little humiliation at the hands of Sawyer! It might help solidify what his true purpose is, when it finally unfolds.
Until John Locke comes back, Sawyer & Jack are destined to lock horns, and do battle!
Excellent read Dabs! I’ve come to this too late to add much to the discussion except to say I don’t see Sawyer as having been that vindictive towards Jack. I think circumstances would not allow him to give Jack a special role as that would give the game away that these are not ‘real’ DI recruits…
It will be interesting to see how things play out with Kate as well. There is definitely unfinished business there.
I don’t think Sawyer and Kate will get back together… There does seem to be some awkwardness between them right now but I think it’s just Sawyer trying to find the best way to tell her that she has man shoulders and he never noticed it before…
lol Missus, I knew you would be protective over your man Sawyer!
Yes, in part Sawyer was thinking about ‘keeping cover’, by not letting out Jack’s true occupation. However, he also enjoyed giving him a ‘royal’ spanking too! Whatta man, whatta man, whatta mighty, mighty good man!
highbrow, I think you’re right about Sawyer not ‘hooking up’ with Kate again.
But……there will be a lot of drama!!!