Christians Shoes!!!! Pennys Death!!!! History or should I say future between Jack and Locke!!!!
I dont know c if any of you will remember the pilot episode but when Jack wakes up in the jungle he suddenly gets up and sprints towards the beach…..strange how he knows where it is especially as he blacked out….a bit like when they came back to the island and ended up in 1977. Anyway thats a different point….my point is as Jack runs through the jungle the camera pans out to show a white tennis shoe hanging from a tree. The same tennis shoe we see Christian wearing in all his reappearances. The writers say that the shoe could belong to Locke?!?!?! I agree it is Lockes because if we remember when Locke returns to the island as a dead man he is wearing Christians shoes because Jack put them on him. I think later on this season Locke is going to meet Christian again and they will swap shoes because Christian wants his pair of shoes. Locke will oblige and terefore now be wearing the tennis shoes. Maybe at the end of the show they do go back to the beginning….all of them not just 1 or 2.
This is the time loop theory and I don’t buy it. Nobody is looping in time. In season one none of the losties had been there before. Jack ran to the beach because there was this noisy plane crash aftermath going on… he didn’t even run immediately to the right place! In 1977 he ran right to Hurley because Hurley was shouting.
I don’t remember ever hearing that the white shoe might have belonged to Locke. In fact, Jack recently explained why Christian was wearing them! He said his father wasn’t worth the effort of going out to get a nice pair of shoes for him. Locke is wearing Christians shoes because Hawking told Jack that he needed to give Locke something that belonged to his father.
lots of interesting thoughts here, i don’t a shoe switch is in the cards, but we can be pretty sure the shoes fell off Christian when 815 crashed – or maybe not 🙂
I truly believe what Highbrow believes, I don’t buy into the time loop theory because I don’t believe time can be changed, the past is the past, done deal, over, finito.
I just rewatched this episode this past weekend, and I will give you one thing that MAY support your theory (yes, even though I don’t believe, I still see possibilities). When Jack runs out on the beach he seems to be looking for something and finds nothing. Then when he hears the carnage he seems like he has found what he is looking for. You also see him, at the least, making eye contact with just about all the major players or “his family”. He works his way across and just happens to be the perfect distance and time to save Claire and Hurley from the falling wing.
Could be happenstance, could be something completely different that we don’t understand, but I always try to look at things from others point of view.
Iggysgal says that she believes your theory, and saw much of the same things I have pointed out and believes it supports your/her theory. She, like me, has strong theories, but is always open to the other possibilies. Heck, I so did not think Locke was going to come back to life.
The white tennis shoes were Jacks. He put them on Christian’s feet because he didn’t think he was worth a nice pair of shoes, or the time to go get some.
Thanks for feedback people. Just want to get a few points straight. I dont think the past can be changed either this is just a theory. The writers stated that the shoes could belong to Locke….whether you recall it or not it happened. I was just giving an explanation of how they could end up being Lockes because I know at this very moment they are on Christians feet. Thanx.
P.S. Not all of this theory is to do with time-loop there is more then one theory in this ‘article’ just put together. eg pennys death.
That was confusing.
Lots of theories put into one.
I think it would be funny to see Locke and Christian exchange shoes. lol
I used to be on board with the time loop theory, but not so much these days. Especially since ‘316’. I’ll go with highbrow on this one.
Well im not a fan of the time-loop theory but im just saying what I have seen. Not sure how you mean since 316? That is more evidence towards time-loop theorys. Anyone that doesn’t believe in my ‘theory’ can you please state proof and reasons for your disbelief. Otherwise it is just your opinion for example explain how else the shoe got there but is on Christians foot seconds earlier when he tells Vincent to wake up Jack? Two pairs of shoes? Unlikely. We know that when the Losties time travel they take with them wat they are holding/touching. I for onecan’t think of another explanation for an identical shoe to be hanging in a tree. Can any of you doubters?
I meant to say that my reasons for believing in a time loop theory were partly related to my belief in the possibility that we’d see something that caused Jack to go ‘back to the beginning’ in the end of the series and we’d see the first scene from the ‘Pilot’ again – Jack’s eye. But in’ 316′ we say a similar scene, which, IMO, means we won’t be seeing it again.
And, also, as highbrow stated:
“Jack ran to the beach because there was this noisy plane crash aftermath going on
When did the producers say the shoe could have been Locke’s?
How does the episode 316 support a time loop?
Will find a site that states it meanwhile time travel itself supports a time-loop. This won’t happen or at least I hope it doesn’t but if the ‘Losties’ go forward in time back to where they came from ten they must re-enter their original bodies somewhere. Maybe thats why they are not supposed to leave the island and because they did they are going to have to re-do it all agen until at one point on the timeline they dont leave and decide to stay put ‘like they’re supposed to’ thus cancelling the whole effects of the time loop. Will do abit more researching anyway and will write back with more info…..I still see you have no reason to throw out my theory Highbrow other than the simple fact of you personally not liking it. Way to go Highbrow….you should become a physicist and throw out all scientific theorys you don’t like therefore stopping scientific evolution and knowledge. Just answer one question if you can….how did the shoe get in the tree? if you come up with another theory that is believable then fair enough if not why are you still talking?
1. When you travel into the future or past there is no reentering your body. You are always in your body. If our losties in 1977 go into the future to the day the plane crashed, then they would be on the island with their younger selves. And by the way, this does not necessarily create a paradox.
2. I see your point on the shoe. Christian has the shoes on in one of the Mobisodes at a time prior to Jack running by the shoe in the tree. One of two explanations for this (a) the people who made the mobisode messed up. or (b) Its just a different shoe with no meaning. Probably (a). They do mess up after all.
The part about Penny has been hashed and rehashed.
Isn’t the reason why people like Ethan can beat so much ass is because they’re in a time loop?
Yes. Once you’re in a time loop all you need to do is spend the first several iterations lifting weights constantly. Eventually you’ll be super strong and to those not in the know, it’ll seem like you’re super human.
I thought the explanation for shoes being in the tree was the crash? the plane was ripped apart, and everything in it was scattered over the island.. I’m not sure whom they belong to
lol at willis…..it is the famous white tennis shoe that jack puts on his dad before they get on 815. well thats what most people think…..spose it could just be a randomn shoe but it would be one hell of a coincidence.
I wasn’t trying to be ‘smart.’ Just stating what I originally thought
Yeah, I think the Mobisode with Christian and Vincent pretty much debunked that the tennis shoe hanging in the tree was Christians (because he was seen wearing both shoes).
This is the pilot episode. Think about watching this episode for the very first time. You don’t know what’s happened and you don’t know what’s going to happen. I think the shoe was hanging in the tree so that we, as new viewers, would get a sense of “something’s not right here”.
I don’t think it’s obvious that it’s Christians shoe. It was a big plane with lots of passengers and I’m sure there were more than one pair of tennis shoes.
Just my opinion here, but I think the shoe in the tree is just random. Probably a shoe that fell out of the plane when it broke up. I don’t think it’s a very big coincidence just because the shoe is white. White is a very common color of shoes.
It might just be me, but looking at the shoe (link below), it looks like a woman’s tennis shoe.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/White_tennis_shoe
The shoes dont really interest me as much as the “Time Loop” theory does, I understand what you mean by the way Jack just “reacts” like he knows somewhat things will work, Like on flight 815 he tells Rose “He would keep her compant till her husband (Bernard) got back” he does so while Bernard is missing & Jack also assure’s Rose “Everything would be over soon” during routine flight turbulence(like he knew)& the way he gets a lil more alcohol from the stewardess(who is supposedly a confirmed “Other”), He drinks only 1 & saving the other in his pocket(if scared of flying why not down both those lil bottles?) but its the same bottle he uses to sanitize the wound Kate stitches up(like he knew)how convenient for him i thought but how about when they lose Jack after running from the “Smoke” after it took the other pilot, Then randomnly comes back a lil Different. Maybe they are there until the crash & not aging like R.A.(Because their not of there time yet) and just kind of correcting a bunch of mistakes maybe we all missed or just didnt realize(like keeping his Sister in law “Shannon” alive & his half sister “Claire” & all the ones’s who died Or protect the “Main Losties” from deviating from their set path. IDK alot harder to explain then I thought, Its my first post maybe I’ll get better.
tpowell25, I agree. It’s probably a random shoe, it doesn’t look like Christian’s shoe in that picture.
BiNG, isn’t Shannon Boone’s sister? Did Jack marry Boone and I missed it?
I’m confused, I don’t remember any other Shannon.
I think that in Jack’s situation, I, too, would have said that I’d keep Rose company ’til her husband came back and would reassure her just like he did, as anyone would.
What’s suspicious to me is the stewardess offering him the 2 bottles, not that he didn’t drink both of them right there. He wasn’t a drunken mess there yet.
Still, I agree and have no explanation for Jack’s strange behavior after supposedly “hiding in the bushes” from Smokey.
I know i would run & hide from “Smokey” also but as for the Rose thing, I guess your just a better person than I, Cause i wouldnt have said or done anything but worry bout my own A$$.
oompa:Dont you think its weird he does all the things he says to her in the future? maybe he does it cause he knows he does or maybe he does it cause he said it & is keeping his promise?
As for the extra booze he recieves IDK just seems strange to me to save one but thats just me, I would have pounded them all and prob caused the plane crash myself PARTY!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah i forgot about your Question about Jack marrying Boone??? if you remember in a “past-life clip of Jack” when he gets two people rushed in ER, A man & a woman & has to decide who to help first & he chooses the girl which turns out to be sarah(he then later marry’s) Jack lets her father die but only cause he saves Sarah first. Shannon came with the Wife (Shannons step-mom)so if im wrong then my bad.
Bing, yes Jack chose to save Sarah first leaving Shannons father to die.
But that doesn’t explain how Shannon is Jacks sister-in-law?
Are you serious? if im not mistaken (I Prob am) but if you Marry someone(Sarah) with a sister(Shannon) then wouldnt that make Shannon Jack’s sister in law?
Sarah isn’t Shannons sister.
When Sarah was in the car accident she was in one car, while Shannons father was in the other.
They were two random strangers who’s cars collided with each other.
The fact that it was Shannons father in the other car was purely another one of those Lost “coincidences”.
Oh ok I assumed they were together and all that i didnt pay too much attention to the nurses or emt’s saying what happened…YOUR RIGHT EMZI, ill take your word for it at least.
THANX.
just to throw my penny in, i don’t think there is/will be a time loop, and i also don’t think the show means anything.
i’d love to be more structured in my response, but there is no real reason behind these thoughts other than a gut instict.
i may be wrong, sorry this ost is a bit of a waste of time 😉
i usally agree with highbrow and in this case i do
RIGHT, I WANT TO GET SOMETHING CLEAR!!!!!!
Im looking for the answer of Lost im not trying to make what I want try and fit the best I can which is what alot of you seem to be doing. Your not theorising about the show and backing it up with evidence. Your saying what you want to happen and you won’t accept it any other way. Like i’ve said countless times I personally don’t want a loop theory to exist unless we find out they have previously been in a loop and this time its going to be different just because i dont want the ending scene to be the same as the opening……THAT WOULD BE RUBBISH.
HOWEVER just because I think its rubbish and I don’t want it to happen doesn’t mean it couldn’t. Therefore I will happily theorise about the prospect until hard evidence is given against. If you comment saying you just don’t like it but you have no reason then – its ur gut instinct – you dont want it to happen like that – or for any other reason then proving it with evidence then please don’t bother. If you can prove my theories wrong with evidence then I will quite happily listen because I would love to hear something that actually disproves the loop theory. Until then just don’t post your ‘feelings’ unless you ave already proved to me of your theory worthiness ie AES, Dabs, username etc you will know if your in this list because I will get along with you and have discussions about the show. Basically in the end you need to be open minded to be a theorist otherwise you’ll just have one theory and when its proved wrong you’ll be well and truely screwed. Good day to you sir.
chill out wes me old pal, i think your theories are driving you mad!
chill out, dissagreeing with your theory, whether based on proof (which is hrd to come by) or just on gut feeling is not an attack on you!
you seem to be a nice young man with a happy smily face, don’t let your love of lost turn you crazy!!
have an early night, then 2 more days until lost 🙂
Something i sensed when i rewatched the 4 seasons is that in the first one, John is a very different person from the one we have seen all along the story. I don’t remember the episode but since he just met the Smoke monster he began to change and also to predict things like rain. So maybe he just got back and that’s why he began to search about he being special because he was told before.