Is this Mutiny?
Something is puzzling me.
If Jacob (im assuming) and the Island are 1 and the same, Jacob tells the leader what to do and Alpert is the advisor then if i was Ben i would question why would Locke WANT to kill Jacob? Ultimately orders come from Jacob to the leader and then filter down (Pyramid effect 🙂 ) So if Ben always does whats in the best interest of the Island don’t you think he would stop and think? Or has he been so overwhelmed by the supposed ressurection of Locke he isn’t thinking straight? that does seem unlikely as he thinks EVERYTHING through to stay ahead of the game.
Also i’d have to ask the question to Locke “why would Jacob tell you to kill himself(Jacob)”??
Surely it would set alarm bells ringing if for as long as you can remember you’ve followed the orders of ‘the Island’ and/or Jacob then all of a sudden your told to kill him, seems a bit odd if you ask me. Surely this counts as mutiny and the penalty for mutiny is death.
bigdaveg, you pose a very good question! These are some of the mysteries, to consider.
Thinking things through, as you clearly have, you start to see the inconsistencies, of what makes sense and what doesn’t.
Anything, which is illogical, is a main source of frustration for me, as it is an indicator that what we have seen, is a mere fraction of what it really is, at the end of the day!
Ben was caught up in the moment of his own despair. Jacob’s Nemesis had given him Jacob’s name, as the one who was responsible for Ben’s misery. He reacted without thinking things through.
No doubt, Ben did not go back to the original source of his suffering. Had he have done this, he would not have reacted.
He got caught in a weak moment, and never thought through all that had happened, and that maybe he was blaming the wrong person.
It was symbolic to how he and Widmore have been feuding for all of these years. Over time, the reasoning that initially fuelled the source of their hatred, becomes clouded with their own judgements.
Good thoughts!
He was also used to putting his faith in the island and Jacob and he had been told in no uncertain terms by the smoke monster that he was to do as Locke told him without question. He may not know the distinction between the island, Jacob and the smoke monster (and neither do we). Then “Locke” takes advantage of Ben who is having a crisis of faith and reminds him that all of his suffering is because of Jacob and all of his problems have been ignored by Jacob. Jacob gave orders but never gave anything back. Jacob was going to let Ben die of a tumor while others were miraculously healed. Jacob had cast Ben off the island as a reward for his troubles.
Cheers guys im not a theorist myself but prefer to ask questions rather than put my own theories on here.
Dabs: “Anything, which is illogical, is a main source of frustration for me, as it is an indicator that what we have seen, is a mere fraction of what it really is, at the end of the day!” Although it’s frustrating is this not the reason so many people love the show and come to these sites? it’s like 1 of those itch’s that you can’t stop scratching because it feels nice 🙂
It’s just odd that Ben has waited for so long to see and meet Jacob that the first thing that he thought of was his own selfishness about how he never got the call. Is this why he never got the call as Jacob see’s Ben as shelfish?
If i’d waited that long, heard so much about and followed orders from for so long the first thing that i wouldn’t do would be to start spouting off about how i never got the call and stab him to death. I’d be like WOW he does exist and here he is.
Highbrow: “Jacob gave orders but never gave anything back” hmmm sounds alot like Benjamin Linus when you put it like that. He never gave anything back but the line “what about me?” seems to suggest he was looking for a return for his efforts instead of being proud of doing his duty to the island, maybe he envies Richard and wants immortality in exchange for his services. In fact ive just thought of that and i like that idea myself (pat on the back for me).
Rephrasing of paragraph 4, DOH!!
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If you look at it from a religious point of view as in Man vs. God. Ben suffered just like we all suffer and because of our suffering or knowing all the suffering in the world Man turns away from God. He may choose to not believe or choose to hate God. I am not saying Jacob is God, but Jacob is the supreme being on the island. The one everybody takes orders from therefore in a sense God like. Ben came face to face with this God/Jacob and chose to hate. He chose the dark path because of suffering. Jocob said to Ben “you have a choice.” Its because of the ability to choose/free will that suffering even exist at all. There are so many religious paraells in that last scene its crazy.