Thoughts and Questions
This isn’t really a theory at all hence why I put it in the questions sections but these are just a few thoughts and questions that I had all jumbled together.
1. In a deleted scene in season five Christian is talking to Sun and Lupidis and then takes and ax and chops open a door of one of the old dharmaville houses, he then proceeds to ask one of them for a flashlight. To me that’s playing on the fact that when Locke first went to visit Jacob in the cabin he shined the flashlight and things went crazy and ben told him that Jacob doesn’t like technology. Christian claims that he can speak on behalf of Jacob but to me him asking for the flashlight means one of two things, either Christian is lying about being able to speak on behalf of Jacob or MIB pretended to the others that he was Jacob. Either way from what we’ve seen I don’t think Jacob was ever in that cabin.
2.Another idea is that we’ve seen Jacob in “the incident” come up with his almost counter-plan to MIB’s plan by visiting select members of the 815’s off island. I think it is fair to say that MIB probably did the same thing. I’m mentioning this because in the episode when Desmond tries to become a priest or whatever he was trying to become he mentions to his ex fiance that he was drunk blacked out and when he woke up there was a man with a rope tied around his waste or something to that effect that stood over him. In the opening scene of “the incident” MIB has such a rope tied around his waste
3. In one of the episodes of season 5 Sayid when referring to Faradays book mentions that Faraday had a very specific time table to when they had to detonate the nuke. To me that means that Faraday knew exactly when the incident of them drilling to far into the pocket happened and needed the bomb to go off before this in order to prevent that from happening. How did he know that.
4. Almost always before smokey appears it rains or smokey is near the water. Why? And we see Jacob around fire a lot and he got burned in the fire. Why? Maybe smokey is water some way and jacob is fire.
5. Lastly it seemed fairly clear that Jacob and MIB couldn’t kill each other personally they had to get someone else to do it. However Ben stabs Jacob and Jacob is dying but still alive and then MIB really seems like he’s the one who ultimately kills him by pushing him into the fire.
I apologize if any of these issues have been brought up before.
1) I think whats more important aboutg this scene is that stuff is boarded up. That lends itself to the alternate timeline theory more.
2)Interesting
3)He must have known it from when he was preparing for the freighter stuff. Maybe it was in his notebook, like other island related stuff. In other words, he didn’t learn it in Ann Arbor in the 1970’s.
4)Interesting
5)That’s John Locke, Dude!
Ban, That’s a good point about what you said on #1. It’s really hard for me to be convinced that #5 is because it’s John Locke though it makes no sense to me. They constantly tried to show how smokey (if MIB is smokey) can take on the form of dead people and when he can use that power to his ultimate benifit the writers are gonna say no it wasnt smokey it was just John Locke from another timeline or something.
Yeah, dude, that’s exactly what the writers would do to us. Go back and watch the scenes between Locke and Cesar in (I believe) ‘The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham’. He just seems so honest, so very Locke like. He doesn’t know how he came to be on the island. If it were MIB, I think he would have his story straight. But then, maybe the writers were doing their job of making us believe it IS Locke.
I believe all the surprise we see on Flocke’s face is genuine, and that being the case, I don’t think it’s MIB. So Flocke is not MIB. Flocke is Locke.
“when Desmond tries to become a priest or whatever he was trying to become he mentions to his ex fiance that he was drunk blacked out and when he woke up there was a man with a rope tied around his waste or something to that effect that stood over him”
Could it have been Brother Campbell?
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Desmond
I respect your opinion, but I have been rewatching season 5 and when I look at him I don’t see Locke at all, its almost like im looking at a different person, in terms of the way he acts and carries himself it’s crystal clear to me that it’s not Locke. I think we all want it to be Locke I mean I sure hope it is but he is way to smug to be him. And he knows exactly how to get Sun to 1977, exactly how to find smokey he evens knows they have to go underneath the temple, and he vanishes right before Ben speaks to smokey and then poof magically reappears at the exact moment smokey is done talking to Ben. Rewatch whatever episode it is when Ben goes to be judged by smokey in my opinion that episode is all the evidence you need to realize that that is not John Locke
i get the people understanding the alt timelines but i cannot grasp the idea of Unlocke actually being Locke simply because we see his DEAD body outside will Ilana..
If there are two timelines there will be two of everybody, the writers will just keep daed bodies from one timeline away from alive ones in the other (I think couse correction will eliminate 2 alive versions) the one exeption is Locke. Circumstances from both timelines end in his two bodies being on the island.
On the idea that Locke is different, hedoes seem different to me, more confident, calm, like he knows the big picture now whereas he had only been shown part of it before. Think about a new timeline from 1977, any of their lives could be quite different from how we’ve seen them from 1977 not just 2004 with the 815 crash. What if after the bomb blast Richard makes another attempt to get Locke to come to the island (we’ve seen him try quite a few times) and this time Locke goes. Explains how he knows stuff, why he is a bit different, his biggest cons and lets downs don’t happen, he may well have met and had a nice long chat with MIB. All perfectly reasonable and would explain why Locke seems a bit different but is still Locke.
I must say Tas, your explanation does seem plausible. I still believe that that’s not John Locke but if it turns out the way you just described it I wouldn’t be totally shocked.
One thing I’m a little confused about is how you would explain Richard if this were the case. His actions and reactions to me seem consistant with everything he experienced the first 5 seasons
AS31, I guess one possibility would be that Confident Locke was brought to the Island by Abbadon rather than by Richard. Abbadon works for Widmore. Perhaps Confident Locke is aligned with Widmore and MIB. But Richard thinks that Locke is aligned with Jacob, Ben and the Others.
I think Richard has lived through the original timeline and we have started to see them merge during season 5 with Locke not quite being the original (because he’s dead) but the 2nd timeline Locke is now interacting with and original timeline Richard and Ben. I think that the ones who are coming are the 2 nd timeline Jack etc… Who have different knowledge and are ready to actively take part in the war. The properties of the island mean that two seperate timelines can come together there.