Where are your bodies when you ‘time travel’?
When the Losties popped around – why aren’t their bodies still on the 2004/5-7 island? (or, are they?)
Eloise never disappeared. Her conscious went, not her body. (The same can be inferred about when Daniel tried it on his girlfriend and self as no one notices the disappearing.)
Nor Desmond. He ‘passed out-ish’ on the boat (similar to Eloise not being ‘back yet’).
The only reference to disappearing is when you return to your natural timeline, not when you leave it.
desmonds time travelling is different
the bodies dissapear with the time skipping. richard says more than once to locke that he “dissapeared in front of my eyes”
If you check out 1/5, I was on the very same thought page as you thinking the same thing..It is confusing.. Plus didn’t Desmond’s nose begin to bleed like Sawyer, Juliet, Charlotte et al AND Daniel implied to avoid that and death (or perhaps the disappearing thing) you need to identify your constant?
Eko: Locke disappeared from the ‘wrong’ time for Locke, not Alpert. We don’t know what Locke did in HIS ‘natural’ time line.
Minkowski knew what Desmond was going through because Minkowski was experiencing it himself – his conscious was traveling NOT his body.
Desmond may be different because his interactions in the ‘other’ time period can make major effects OR he doesn’t just disappear (after talking w/Penny about calling him he doesn’t flash – he is both happy on the boat AND walking down the street in the other time period).
NOTHING. his natural timeline is fragmented into different times from our point of view. his body goes with him. like when he travels to before his birth. there was no lockes body back then.
Perhaps I should define my terms. I’m using ‘natural’ timeline to mean the linear stuck-in-time one.
When his CONSCIOUS becomes ‘unstuck in time’ it manifests a ‘body perception’ to interact w/environment. His ‘real’ body is always stuck in time; it doesn’t appear/disappear to/from the ‘natural’ timeline only the unstuck one. I point to Eloise, Minkowski, and Desmond – all ‘time traveled’ (with their ‘body’ that could interact with the environment) but their REAL body never left the ‘present’. That one is just in a stunned or fugue state until it gets back.
So, I agree. The body in which Locke traveled before he was born was one made from his conscious – it a metaphysical rather than physical one.
his body time travels with him. there are two kinds of time traveling. the desmond/faraday version, due to radiation. and the island time travel where you physically AND mentally time travel. your entire self travels.
Where do you put Minkowski?
In both forms of time travel, let’s call them island travel (physical) and desmond travel (consciousness only), if you time travelled too much, there was that nose bleeding (which essentially happened to all of them via island travel and otherwise) and even death (Charlotte). So does this link them? Eko? Waycurious? Your insights and thoughts are always great.
I think ALL ‘time travel’ is consciousness only and once the island ‘moved’ it became ‘set’ to 2.342 and oscillates at 11.
Nosebleeds, according to Daniel: I think Eloise’s brain short-circuited. The jumps between the present and the future…she couldn’t tell which was which, she had no anchor.
Coming to/from island more impt. than length of time exposure to set off nosebleeds (Des was there 3 yrs w/o them until he LEFT (I think) … and we don’t know if he wasn’t living on the island as a child, too. )
MIB/Jacob: Either you can’t actually die in your wrong (alt) timeline OR they are one another’s constant and Locke fulfilled that loophole (more than Ben doing it for him).
Finally, I’ve been mulling this one … Baby Charlie MAY BE Big Charlie and he’s not really dead ‘cuz he died outside his natural timeline, and yes, he may have programmed those ‘Good Vibrations’. His ‘visions’ to Hurley (and many of the rest) are conscious travel (though it’s interesting he’s wearing black when he 1st sees Hurley).
OR, he could die because that was his present (but you can’t die younger than you ever got regardless of time). BTW: My husband contends never saw Charlie’s body so Charlie didn’t die, he escaped like Crazy One-Eye who may escape dying each time by popping into a different timeline.
Keep in mind everybody, for the Desmond/Minkowski conscious type time-traveling, their bodies stayed in a dormant state in BOTH time periods as they switched between experiences. Desmond’s mind became cognizant in both time periods once he chose Penny as his constant..
I think it’s important to note that because, Desmond’s past consciousness flashes to the future in the same manner as his future/present consciousness flashes to the past; so if it is all one consciousness, which experience was just a “manifestation of a body perception” waycurious? Aren’t both bodies “stuck” in there own times?
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“The body in which Locke traveled before he was born was one made from his conscious – it a metaphysical rather than physical one.”
The time traveling has to be quite physical considering that Locke was able to bring a compass and hand it over to Richard…
waycurious – thank you.. you gave me much to ponder… again your insights are wonderful…thank you to bobt for your excellent comments as well…i’m in awe of the details you all recall and the amazing analyses…
ILieInTheShadowOfTheStatue: It IS physical, in a metaphysical, existential way. Take the bunnies. They could be moved. Presume the same about Eloise. Thinkin’ Daniel returning from AA (1977) may be him in a flash he’s experiencing while going crazy at home – and he’s been filling out that notebook all along, which is why it said, “If anything goes wrong Desmond will be my constant.”
If only the Orchid’s video didn’t skip the part about the bunnies appearing to disappear!