The variable
Alright…..I dont feel like digging through all the old post for the past year so i know this has been talked about before…as i said on my last post ive been rewatching and i just watched the incident again.
I think the variable faraday has been referring to could be none other then juliet….The swan had concrete poured on top of something …alot of concrete….and i know its been said before that it wold be the bomb and i think so too…before everything is changed
I dont think juliet was around the first time the losties were in the 70’s and therefore she didnt get pulled down in the hole to be there to detonate the bomb. I cant really get much into explaining why juliet is not susposed to be there its just what i think
So juliet goes down the hole bomb goes off and thigns are changed….but the first time around she wasnt there and the bomb doesnt go off jack and everyone die like richard said he saw them do and dharma closes the bomb in with a bunch of concrete while building the swan station so that nothing can touch it
Add or debunk
Jacob bringing more peices into the game to cause something new to happen…sorry forgot that part
As Iv stated on many theories, im a big believer of ‘Whatever Happened, Happened’. So seeing the detonation of the Jughead, i believed that always happened. But with that i never took into account the theories of Jacob trying to manipulate small parts of time to find a new ending. This I believe is also true (i know that seems quite contradictory but i cant help it lol).
So i think your theory will pan out quite perfectly.
1) They mention the concrete poured on top of something.
2) Surely if theres a person down a hole you would go down to check they are alive and body back up… why would you cover a body with concrete?
3) If there is an undetonated Jughead laying around you will want to make sure you are all safe.. I suppose the least risky way would be to concrete it in.
4)If Juliet was there first time around and detonated the bomb then what would be the need for concrete? If she didn’t detonate it first time around then she wouldnt have second.. there fore leading to the conclusion that she wasnt there.
reading my comment back, I think it makes no sense.. So to sum up, I agree with you
What would be the point in pouring concrete in a hole if the bomb had already gone off? Doesn’t make any sense. I don’t think Juliet detonated it. I think it was a time flash…
Um bc I said the first time around the bomb didn’t go off?
What if there are and aren’t multiple timelines – but time isn’t completely linear – like Miles explaining that this is the first time we had the conversation in OUR timeline, but not Ben’s, because they came to 1977 in 2004.
If it were more of a loop, with people being able to do what they would have done had they the knowledge of what went wrong the last time … each time through the loop would be … progress.
And people would be variables.
And, each revolution of the loop is that/those person(s)’ linear life, though out of step with time.
Maybe Miles learned that in his multiple times in the loop (in his head?).
Yeah, Tas brought this one up a while ago if I recall – that she was the unanticipated variable, not the rest of the Losties.
Actually, I’d say Juliet was the variable because Jacob DIDN’T anticipate her – she wasn’t “touched”.
Good point on not being touched… Bit alot of them weren’t touched so I just don’t know….I honestly think she is THE variable in the whole equation as the first time around I belive Jack dropped the bomb and there was no one there to set it off so it was covered and construction went on
I bought this up on some comments a few days ago when people were talking about the evidence for an alt timeline. From a character perspective, juliet had the choice to back Sawyer and stop Jack or jump ship (which is what we saw her do) if she hadn’t had that moment when Sawyer looked at Kate and she decided to give Sawyer up, things would have played out differently, not ending with her down the hole to bash the bomb and yes it explains the concrete which the exploding bomb doesn’t. Think it’s very likely and points to a change of some sort, this time round things don’t play out exactly the same.
Must have missed it… Haven’t been readingvtoo many theories lately
The idea makes sense so more than one person is going to think of it, just thought it was interesting that I’d had the same thought not that long ago 😉
Maybe there is more to the flashback of juliets parents splitting up… Maybe Jacob had something to do with it… It was kinda odd to have on the finale other then to show why she made the choice she did… But it was like the only flashback without Jacob
That flashback is there to serve 2 functions: To give a dramatic pretext to Juliette’s realisation that sometimes things just aren’t to be (thus why she had he brainsnap re Sawyer that Tas mentioned), and secondly to set things up that she was the only one Jacob didn’t visit (“touch” her life).
Agreed Yojimbo, I think the fact that it wasn’t a Jacob flashback signals it’s importance
Exactly… Sorry being short and not explaining much but I’m on my phone since I’m at work and hate typing on thus thing
I know, I find the words it thinks I want to say are quite bizzare at times making my comments gibberish
I watched “The Incident” again a couple days ago. I’m on board with Yojimbo and others here. It should be obvious to us all that Juliet’s flashback was only important because Jacob was no where around. Out of the 8 flashbacks in the entire episode, it was the seventh one, and it had basically no meaning. A two minute family sit down about divorce? Obviously strange timing for a flashback like that. The writers and producers went through all the trouble to show us Jacob was NOT there.
Yes, the flashbacks in The Incident seem to show us that everyone’s actions were affected by Jacob except for Juliet. The flashback for Juliet served to show us why she acted as she acted in The Incident. But it was not Jacob’s work. Was it intentional by Jacob? Maybe.
I just can’t believe the whole ALT scenario comes down to an emotional last minute decision by Juliet based around her beliefs about love – that we only found out about in the same episode in a scene that took 5 seconds! Lame.
-Juliet gracefully accepted that Jack only kissed her to prove that he didn’t already love Kate. This is after they had already kissed and Juliet had genuine feelings for him.
-Juliet “caught” her ex-husband making out with a chick afterhours at work. She didn’t freak out, she was calm, maybe hurt, but calm.
-Juliet gets with Goodwin. Goodwin is killed. She wants to go back home, but she always wanted to go back home. No weird reaction here.
I guess I’m just trying to say that Juliet, although plagued with bad luck concerning relationships, was consistent, rational, calm, ect. in response to them ….
The fact that all of a sudden, in her final episode, she changes the course of the entire show by a snap, emotional/relationship based decision….WTF?
I buy into ALT, and maybe even the idea that Juliet is indeed the variable that created the ALT, it’s just sad that her character was so amazing and strong, only to be withered down to a sappy emotional blah (Sawyer didn’t even say he loved her back!!!) who never gets off the island, who never gets to see her sister again, who dies in selfish sacrifice.
I agree ScrollLocke. After rewatching the episode recently, Juliette’s was an extremely weak flashback, and an even stupider 15 minutes around the whole fiasco. It seemed like rushed writing which is rare with these guys. That’s why I’m wondering if the only purpose of her flashback was to show us that Jacob was not there. Anyway, I agree. Very lame.
Her past could be the point, Sawyer isthe only one she truely loves and her sacrifice is for him and that love. That’s hugely powerful.
oh, Good call Tas. I guess it could be for that too. (I can’t believe I didn’t realize that.)
Tas: Very powerful if she only truly loved Sawyer.
However, wasn’t the point of the flashback with her parents to show that you can truly love somebody without that relationship being “meant to be” – implying then that you can truly love multiple people, and that love can last beyond being in an actual relationship?
As far as we know she could have truly loved Edmund, Goodwin, and even Jack, and Sawyer – but none of them were “meant to be”.
I think she always knew it wasn’t going to last with Sawyer. She told him “..you would stay with me forever IF I LET YOU.”
She blew up the bomb, not just for Sawyer, but also for the fact that never found the one she was “meant to be” with, whatever that means.
I suppose her reason to blow up the bomb is just as selfish as Jack (for Kate), Sawyer (for Juliet), Kate (for Jack), Sayid (for Nadia)….but it is ONLY Juliet who matters in the equation since she was the only one who actually had the opportunity to blow the bomb.
If the bomb turns out to be a major plot point, meaning it creates the ALT, whatever, I feel like they should have spent more time on Juliet’s character being irrational when it comes to love/relationships.
I always figured she wasn’t touched ‘cuz she wasn’t a 815er and Ilana was just to add mystery and an ‘ah ha’ moment, and the purpose of the scene was to remind her that Sawyer was just gonna’ dump her for Kate.
@waycurious: Indeed. Juliet always knew Sawyer would dump her for Kate if she ever came back. Too bad for Jacob though, that he didn’t get to “touch” her!
scrollocke, the fact that Juliet isn’t seen to be irrational over relationships, then this action seeming to a a different emotional response is my point. Juliet acted in a way she wouldn’t normally changing her actions which leads to the bomb going off this time around. Juliet knew Sawyer would stay with her ‘if she let him’ but she didn’t want to be with someone always thinking ‘ are they thnking about someone else?’ She chose differently.