Christian was NEVER dead
Okay bear with me on this one folks. (I’m currently sick so I decided why not start my 5th rewatch. I’m currently watching White Rabbit..)
Anyhow, when Jack is boarding Oceanic Flight 815 he has an argument w/ the Oceanic employee Chrissy. She told him she couldn’t accept his cargo, Christian, b/c he didn’t have the proper documentation. Finally something clicked in my mind. I’ve thought the Shepard family has significant ties to the island for awhile. Somehow Christian, knew Oceanic Flight 815 was the ‘gateway’ back to the island. He staged his death to get BACK to the island… Jack didn’t have the proper documentation b/c Christian WAS NOT dead. He was trying 2 get back home to the island.
The only time we ever saw the corpse of Christian was when Jack went to the morgue, and the attendant unzipped the body bag. This easily could have been staged. Christian was obviously a wealthy individual.
IMO the reason Jack didnt have the proper documentation was because he’d just arrived in Sydney found his father, wanted to have the funeral ASAP (as soon as the plane lands at LAX then they’re off to the cemetary) so everything was rushed without thinking it through IMO describes Jack in a nutshell. didn’t Sawyer say the same thing in S5 “you just reacted, you never thought things through”.
I do believe though that the Shepherd family do have a long line of history of some sort with the island or somehow connected to the others.
I think that at the end of the S6 premier that when they ask to see Jack alone that he’s
A) going to be told his past relations/history to the island
B) going to be put in front of his father – Dead or Alive
C) Is going to be told his and the other Losties destiny whatever that may be
What do you reckon?
@ BigDavg I think it’s quite possible that Christian isn’t dead… We the audience have never seen him die. He could have fact his death 2 get 2 the island w/ his children. He could have visited Eloise prior to leaving for Sydney & found his window, and hence made his plans… Getting is son & daughter on the plane.. (Faking his death, & settin up the adoption, and/or getting Malkin (the psychic) to convince Claire to go to give up Aaron in L.A.)
I’ve also noticed that people on the site has been talking like it has been proven that Christian is confirmed to be a representation of M.I.B. When I believe the producers have confirmed other images, (Kate’s Horse, Yemi, Focke, as MIB) They HAVE NEVER confirmed Christian, b/c OBVIOUSLY HE IS NOT.
If he wasn’t dead, then why was is necessary to bring Locke’s corpse back to the island? Apparently the only reason for doing so was to recreate as exactly as possible the original circumstance of the flight. I’m of the opinion that Jacob used Christian’s form as a guiding tool for Jack and the losties, giving the MIB an interesting idea for creating his “loophole.” It’s an interesting theory; I just don’t think it holds up to scrutiny.
Sinster, I have also wondered many times if Christian was alive, and/or if his body was ever in the casket in the timeline of the crash of #815.
I do have a likely scenario for why Christian’s body is not on the ‘alternate’ timeline of #815.
The ‘incident’ changed the course of history. Perhaps, Christian’s life was very different and he never went to Australia (as I suspect is the case for all of the characters). Eg: Shannon was not on board of #815 this time around.
Your theory initiates some very good thoughts on Christian.
Nice Work!
PS: My first sentence should read, “original” timeline. Sorry.
Maybe the reason Christian disappeared in the alternate timeline because he was on the island as an other when they blew it up therefor seasing to exist….along shot given the fact Jack is born and is there for his deceased dad…. i like the idea of it being a plan…..maybe like locke christian had to die to get everyone else there…..and Jacob and the new others could have got to his body and revived him in the ‘fountain of youth’. Maybe this also happened to Richard at one point making him live for ever. No solid theorys just some ideas you gave me….Nice thoughts 🙂
this theory just sparked another thought….the Ajira gun squad were there to protect Lockes body from being taken over by smokey….hired by Jacob of course. Basically smokey cant hurt anyone of Jacobs ‘troops’ unless they attack him. But if they are dead its first come first serve on the corpses. Im not sure where im going with this but like the producers said Christian plays a vital role and maybe he is like Jacob….behind the scenes pulling all the strings.
when Jack went to identify his fathers body in the morgue he sure looked dead to me. Either that or they did one hell of a make up job to make him look dead.
@ dabiatchishere Yes, the incident does appear 2 have changed many things in the alt. timeline. But, Claire still exists so Christian still made it 2 Australia at some point during the years.
Also, by Jack’s age in 2004 he was born prior 2 1977 so Christian could have in fact been on the island when the bomb exploded, but then how would that explain Claire. Claire was obviously born after 1977
Sinster, I’m not suggesting and/or denying Claire’s existence. I am only suggesting that Christian may not have made a trip to Australia at that particular time, which is only one distinct possibility. There are others.
Regardless of ‘timelines’, Christian’s background and his appearances on and off ‘island’, whether as a corpeal entity, alive or in some other capacity should be questioned.
Great thoughts!
i don’t necessarily agree with the theory, but you have some excellent thoughts… and it brings up some interesting possibilities… a lot of these have been mentioned in other comments already, but this whole discussion got me thinking about Christian, who has always been a thorn in my side as far as theories go, not being able to figure out who or what he is… but this theory just gave me an idea… we know that Jacob and MIB are different in some way, not necessarily human anyway… we all seem to be assuming that they are the only two that are like that, but what if Christian is different in that way as well. What if he was the “someone else” that Ilana referred to as living in the cabin, he could have used it as a safe haven from Smokie because of the ash, and Jacob wasn’t using it… so it was the perfect hiding place for some third “entity” i.e. Christian.
so whether he was actually dead or not in Australia, perhaps he has some sort of special quality about him much like Jacob or MIB. Perhaps he can’t truly die except through some loophole or something along those lines…
Just some thoughts..
Christian WAS in Australia. In a CASKET. DEAD. Both times. What matters is that in the alternate reality he wasn’t loaded into cargo. That’s all there is to it.
That would be a great twist to the story & would explain why we see a pressumed “dead guy” on the Island walking around & im sure that he would live through the crash just like Jack & the others did but I was thinking all this could actually work because we never seen Christian actually die but I remembered when Christian just appeared to Michael right before Widmore’s ship blew up so??? Hows that possible if he is alive???
I love the Christian talk…I agree to a point…but have different thoughts on how it goes about.
My initial thought at the end of the premier is that Christians body and casket “flashed” to the timeperiod of the pilot and is the same that we see Jack find empty and chop up in season 1…
Christian has to have died in Australia in the alt timeline because the airline guy knew about it. If he hadn’t died why is Jack in Australia to bring his body home. The changes occurred from 1977 due to the bomb, the future doesn’t just change, slow things have happened differently over 30 years. If Christian wasn’t dead then the airline staff wouldn’t know about him.
Christian has been a major contradiction, I’m working on a theory which may explain his different appearances and manifestations, but it’s not quite finished in my own head yet.
I agree Tas, his body is physically dead off island…
I think his DEAD body was loaded on the plane, but flashed to the island in the original timeline, from season 1.
You obviously know Im 100% on board that Christian is the monster, at worst a manifestation, but I think his role will serve a larger purpose than a game piece.
I think that’s how they are starting to ‘bleed’ the two timeline together. Similarly with Locke’s knives.
S01 EP01 as Jack runs through the jungle towards the beach/plane wreck, as he does he runs past a white tennis shoe. Could this be the same tennis shoe Christian should be wearing in his coffin?
I don’t what im gettin at guys. so help me out here lol
Maybe Christian’s DEAD body missing & Locke’s knives missing as well could of just been a way for us the viewers to see them two meet & interact with each other because how are they going to meet besides the airport?
I was going to dismiss your comment about Christian “flashing” to the original timeline, Tas, but when you mentioned Locke’s knives, it seems to make some sense. Without the latter example, I see no reason to suspect that Christian’s corpse should have moved anywhere at all, since he was there to begin with, but with it, it seems to suggest that certain things may be “bleeding” across the continua. Nice catch.
They could write a meeting however they wanted. The mssing body and knives are playing a few roles. To show that they timelines are coming together in bits, to bring Jack and Locke together and I think a possible double up on the island will have some bearing later on. A missing body is a pretty weird thing to have happen if for no other reason than to get Jack and Locke together
Totally agree with this theory, and to add on to it, maybe the reason that his coffin was not on the plane in the alternate storyline (like if the bomb didn’t really work, and it was just another time flash)is because he knew the plane was not going to crash, hence not his way to get back to the island…
A few things come to mind while reading the comments here. The first is that Christian is certainly dead (at least he is in Australia). Jack was an experienced Doctor who was looking at the body of his own Father. He presumably sees dead bodies regularly so I find it hard to believe that he would be fooled by someone faking their death. (Even if it was another Doctor who was trying to fake it).
Second, I keep seeing references on this site and others about MIB ‘using’ Locke’s body. There’s nothing that we’ve actually seen or been told to suggest that Locke’s body was anything other than an excuse for MIB to portray Locke. MIB only needed for Ben to see what he thought was Locke ‘brought back to life’. Once he bought into MIB actually being Locke the stage was set and Locke’s actual body was a liability. He never actually possessed Locke’s body or had any actual need for it.
I really like the idea that Christian may be an entity like Jacob and MIB. It would certainly fit into the biblical themes running through the show. The book of Revelations 12:7-10 talks about a war where Satan and his angels fight against Michael and his angels.
I’m kicking around a theory about Christian being an entity like Jacob who’s purpose is to bring about the “savior” of the island – Arron. Jack was the intended one, (hence ‘He walks among us but isn’t one of us’) but Jack lacks faith which puts him at odds with Christian. Claire gives birth to Arron who takes Jack’s intended place as the island’s hero. This would also explain Jack’s inherent desire to “fix” things and his frustration at not being able to do that.
This brings us the cabin and Christian’s appearance to Locke.
MIB assumes the form of Christian (who is known to Claire and thereby has some credibility.) As her Father Claire accepts what he tells her and he uses her to displace the ash that surrounds Jacobs cabin. Once an opening is made MIB is free to enter the cabin which forces Jacob to flee.
When Locke returns to the cabin hoping to speak with Jacob he meets Christian (MIB) and Claire. Locke doesn’t know Christian but certainly knows Claire. She provides some credibility to Christian who claims to speak on behalf of Jacob. He tells Locke to move the island setting in motion the events leading to his death. When Ben moves the island instead of Locke it forces MIB to find another means to remove Locke. He appears to Michael on the freighter and allows it be destroyed and then appears again to Locke in the cavern telling him again to turn the wheel which sends Locke on the path that leads to his death and eventual return with Ben and the opportunity to kill Jacob.
I’m sorry, but even an ‘experienced’ doctor would be quite unraveled, upset, and thrown when looking at the corpse of a parent. I just rewatched white rabbit, and I don’t believe Jack touched the corpse… So I believe it DOES NOT prove Christian was dead.
The show has ALREADY shown us someone is powerful enough 2 fake an ENTIRE plane crash, hence it would be quite easy 2 fake the death of 1 individual.
Christian’s appearance on the freighter is still the only thing that is skeptic 2 me in regards 2 this theory. Unless, of course he is on a different spiritual level then other human beings…
Or maybe there is a dharma station where a person can send their likeness somewhere else. How awesome would that be..
“Or maybe there is a dharma station where a person can send their likeness somewhere else. How awesome would that be..”
sinister that’s very similar to what they showed us with the #15 rabbit in that video in season 4. I completely forgot about that since they blew up that compartment to expose the opening to the wheel that moves the island.
maybe its a place in the temple. locke asks richard if there is some way off the island and richard tells him that it is priviledged information.
@ Jukin Yes, I remember exactly what you are talking about, but there was some debate whether or not the bunnies were time traveling…
@ ekolocation A place in the temple is also an excellent theory.
I’m just saying that Christian can very much be alive..
Im a little late on this but if he isnt dead, how do you explain his off island appearances e.g. the freighter and Jacks hospital?
Sorry if this has been asked, i havent had time to read the comments.
But i have absolutely no idea what Christian is.. This is one thing i hope gets explained soon
Perhaps Christian can travel as Jacob does…