“I want to go home…”-MIB

I cant shake this question, where is MIBS home? Perhaps, their is no home. Perhaps, thats a con to coax more followers or to infect more. The people from the temple for example, their leader is dead, so why stay on the island. MIB claims there is plenty of room on the plane for everybody. Of course, Claire and Kate want to go home for Aaron. Sawyer, wanted to go home from the begining but had to jump off the helocopter, so that the rest of the survivers could make it off, mainly Kate IMO.

Bottom line, what I am trying to say is that MIB may not actually have a home. Instead he wants off the island simply just to infect the world. Perhaps, he has been bound to the island for many, many years, preventing him from spreading this infection.

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I started off borrowing season 1 from my parents and after about 3 episodes in I was hooked. I went to great lengths to keep up with the show, even illegally downloading episodes I missed. Than I discovered ABC did a wonderful thing, giving me access to every episode. Hours and hours I spent watching this epic show. For a while I was just so frustrated and wanted it to end. With me being quite a truth seeker, its like torture not knowing! However, now we are in the homestretch, the last season and I am a bit sad its almost over. I just love this show and absolutely cant get enough. Thats why I am here, I dont know any Lost fans in person and I must say I do so enjoy reading the many theories.

13 thoughts on ““I want to go home…”-MIB

  1. according to what Jacob said to Richard the island is what keeps evil from spreading. If MIB is indeed pure evil I’m pretty sure that whatever he wants to do off the island isn’t that good.

    And the infection in my opinion isn’t exactly a infection but a corruption of the human being as a whole leaving nothing but bad in people.

    I’m just afraid of ending up with two different ends for the series. One for the main timeline and another for the secondary timeline.

    In one they all die and on the other everyone lives “Happily ever after”.

  2. Well maybe its not one of my better ideas but I dont see any other theories on where exactly MIBs home is.

    I know that the island is the cork according to Jacob. Preventive evil from getting out, I see the island and Jacob as forces keeping Good and Evil in balance.

    I agree with Locked that the infection is a corruption of a person, leaving nothing good.

    We know that MIB has been on the Island for many years just as Jacob has been.

    Why cant it be that simple? Jacob explained it all to Ricardo, through the wine bottle metaphor.

  3. It can’t be that simple mainly because I don’t want it to be that simple, haha. And there is something about Lost that doesn’t fit into a simple good/evil story. It has been suggested that Nemesis is pure evil. But Jacob doesn’t seem to be pure good. So what is this? Realism?

  4. I don’t think Jacob is “pure good” – if he is, how could he ‘summon’ the Black Rock, the plane, etc., which led to deaths of many innocent people? The plane crash itself must have killed over a hundred passengers? I understand there is a greater purpose (in his mind), but regardless, he has still performed harmful deeds to attempt to achieve his endgoal.
    MIB does seem to represent corruption, along with many other negative traits that exist within humanity. Where is his home? If he came to the island through ‘Jacob’s Ladder’, my guess he may have once been in the ‘spirit world’, and is now a sort of fallen angel. I suppose that would make his recent home the spirit world, though he also claims to once have been a man as well.
    As far the timelines go – one bizarre thought I have is that only one timeline can ultimately exist. Not that they would merge, but that they would reach a point where one ‘ceases to exist’ and the other becomes the ‘real’ timeline (this, I believe, may be why they seem to be ‘connected’ to one another – they are not truly independent of each other, and cannot be sustained as such forever). I wonder if MIB wants to get to the alternate timeline, where there is no island, allowing him to ‘escape’ (and then make earth is new ‘home’, where he spreads his corruption?) – and by doing so, the current timeline simply ‘ceases to exist’, like Widmore said.

  5. Clairespeanutbutter- Great thoughts. Enjoyed reading your response, especially since I have trouble understanding the time traveling and how its so obviously important to lost. Thanks:)

  6. People need to get rid of this primary conceived idea of goodness. Jacob is good because he seems to believe in human kind and allow them to show their true colors without much judgement.

    He keeps driving people to island from all circles (murderers, drug addicts, etc) to prove a point. And the point is humans are worthy. Capable of changing from what is considered evil to good and sacrificing their selfs for a cause.

    MIB on the other hand doesn’t believe in the human kind and wants they all killed.

    A clear indication of this is the dialog between MIB and Sayeed. Where Sayeed says “I don’t feel anything” and MIB instantly stops and starts to look intrigued at Sayeed.

    In my mind that sounded more less like if MIB wasn’t able to really corrupt Sayeed in the way that he was familiar with. He was able to make Sayeed numb, practically a zombie but couldn’t corrupt him entirely making him bad.

  7. I have to agree with Locked about this pre-conceived idea of “good” and “benevolence”…

    Not to pick on anyone in particular, but let’s look at this quote from Clairespeanutbutter:

    “I don’t think Jacob is “pure good” – if he is, how could he ’summon’ the Black Rock, the plane, etc., which led to deaths of many innocent people? The plane crash itself must have killed over a hundred passengers? I understand there is a greater purpose (in his mind), but regardless, he has still performed harmful deeds to attempt to achieve his endgoal.”

    If you replace the word “Jacob” with “God”, “Allah”, “Yawheh”, “Buddha”, etc, the phrase will still have meaning… Think about it – the beings that we consider “pure good” (i.e. the gods each of us worship) sometimes, for various reasons, act in ways which our own intrinsic moral values (built into our subconscious) would NEVER describe as “benevolent”, yet we say “they know better”.

    A child is “summoned” to this world, only to find at the age of 2 that he has leukemia, and passes away 10 months later… A newly-married couple on honey-moon in Phuket is literally swallowed by a tsunami along with tens of thousands of innocent, humble people…
    – what “goodness” or “benevolence” is there in these situations? If you think about it coldly: NONE. But we, as humans, need to find a meaning to everything (it´s in our nature), so we go to bed at ease every night thinking “there must be a reason for this”… “He knows better”…

    Well, if I must be completely honest, I prefer a “god” that allows me to make my own choices, than one who tells me that everything is written for me. At least, this gives some meaning to my BRAIN, which is ultimately what makes us human… I would definitely qualify this “god” as “good” when compared to the other one…

  8. Fresnele, Jacob may very well be just as good as God/Allah/etc. That would mean that the point of Lost is to show that God/Allah/etc is not really good at all. I wouldn’t have a problem with that, but many other viewers probably would.

  9. ilie, I get what you say, but we need to be really careful with our definition of “good”:

    (a) A “god” that fosters free will and allows humans to make their own choices, with their respective consequences. The “intention” of these choices is what is “judged” after death.

    (b) A “god” that has everything written down for each and every human and simply enjoys watching us play the game out with a false impression of “free will” – because the outcome will always be the same, no matter what we do.

    Faced with this choice, I would be confortable calling option (a) a “good” god. At least I am allowed to live freely the life I was given and never asked for… (or at least I’m not aware I asked for it! LOL)

    Wow, this is getting really metaphysical and philosophical…. I like it!

  10. This idea that Jacob cant be all good because he brings people to the island and some die or the example of all the people that died in the plane crash(wasnt even Jacobs fault, actually it was Desmond) is silly to me. Jacob literally explained it all to Ricardo, he said WHy should I force people to be good. The way I see it is like Jacob, MY God gave free will because he wants people to do and good and follow him WILLINGLY. Every person who killed another on the island had a choice.

    The people on Black Rock didnt seem completely innocent to me but thats unknown and I guess up for Debate.

    @Locked, you pointed out something that could be very relevent to this mysterious infection, instead of it being evil, or the corruption of a person, rather it could be apathy. I believe apathy can be difined as “I feel nothing.”-Sayid…Still, apathy could in my opinion be a breeding ground for evil doing. However, not creating an entirely evil person.

    Its possible that Sayid giving the box cutter to Jin, is an example of this apathy. He gave him the box cutter, rather rudely, and he didnt do what I would consider the good thing to do-cutting Jin loose himself.

  11. I agree with the sentiment about Jacob’s belief in humanity’s worth and his conviction in ‘freewill’ whereas Nemesis is taking the route of ‘manipulation / corruption’ of humanity; Jacob is seemingly trying to prove that humanity is worth saving, whereas it seems Nemesis sees humanity as a flawed tool.

    One point of disagreement I have is comparing Jacob to God, Allah, etc., because I do not believe Jacob (or Nemesis) are at that level of existence. I see them more so as former men that were ‘elevated’ to their current status somehow (and perhaps are now fallen angels or similar). What this means to me is that they too make choices — they are not all-seeing or all-powerful or all-knowing, like one would say of God or Allah. Therefore, Jacob ‘chooses’ to prove a point that humanity is worth saving, whereas Nemesis ‘chooses’ to corrupt humanity to serve his own needs.

    In the grand scheme of things, Jacob’s choice certainly seems to be the more altruistic of the two. He is trying to prove humanity’s worth and, in a way, his approach is similar to the heisenberg uncertainty principle – he cannot participate directly, because if he does so, it will ruin the test (it would be like God whispering in Eve’s ear not to take a bite of the apple – except that I do not think Jacob is God or at that level – however, the similarity of God and Satan’s role in the Garden of Eden and that of Jacob and Nemesis on the island are worth noting).
    The fact still remains that by making his choice, Jacob has chosen to accept some necessary evils. Ok — he brings drug addicts and murderers the like to the island to show that they can be redeemed (through their own actions and those of their peers) — and through their successes, he shows that humanity itself is redeemable and worthy. But there are sacrifices Jacob is willing to make to prove this point.
    True, Desmond caused the plane crash, but wasn’t it through Jacob’s planning and manipulation?
    In a previous comment, there was a comparison of the misfortunes of those summoned to the island to a devastating Tsunami, but I do not believe that is valid. The former misfortunes (plane crash) was initiated by Jacob (who had a choice to do so), the latter (Tsunami) was not (it is an event of nature). That’s a pretty important distinction in my opinion.

    (I suppose one could argue that Jacob IS a force of nature – and perhaps not knowing what kind of entity is where some of the disagreement exists).

    So I think it is important to consider the good and evil within both Jacob and Nemesis, and what each of them represents in that regard. I do not think one is purely good and one is purely evil, but that each have both good and evil within them (and have acted upon them differently), just like people — there is a good chance that Jacob and Nemesis came from humanity, after all.

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