Mrs. Elowise Hawking/Widmore – A “God” Mother
Since last season, I’ve believed Jacob & MIB to be some type of deity – whatever that may be or look like (see my post on Shepherd’s Pie – LOST’s New Mythos) and that it is likely they are brothers. MIB had a conversation with Kate on the beach about his mommy issues.
I don’t know what this means, I can’t prove it, but as I watched the “Happily Ever After” episode, it hit me: I think Mrs. Elowise Hawking/Widmore could very well be MIB & Jacob’s mother! I don’t/we don’t, ultimately know what happened to the young Elowise on the island; we just see her when Desmond does his 1st time travel & she tells him that he can’t change the past, the man in red will die either by a falling piano, a large truck or whatever, if it’s his time to die, it’s his time to die and even if it gets delayed, the universe will correct itself to make sure he dies.
When we see her in last night’s FSW, she seems to be the only one who knows what’s really going on. Charles W. doesn’t, Daniel is finding out like Charley, but ultimately is still trying to figure it out. Mrs. Elowise Hawking/Widmore seems to already know when she tells Desmond he can’t look @ the list, he’s not ready. She says this is the life he always wanted! I’m telling you she seems to be “outside” of time & space, she is able to interact with it, she knows what is going on. I think she is the mother of Jacob & MIB! I think she is some type of deity, I think that perhaps she took over/ took on the form of the real Elowise. How? I don’t know, but this is my gut feeling.
I don’t know what it will mean if I’m right, but it’s just a thought. Also, Desmond went back to the island time line once he started to figure some things out, willing to what Charles wanted. But as soon as he went with Sayid, BAM, he’s right back in the FSW. Is it possible that by doing what MIB wants creates the FSW? Many have assumed that the sinking of the Island created this “good” FSW, but what if that’s how MIB escapes? What if joining w/ MIB & him winning causes the island to sink and he escapes? Desmond starting down that path, going with Sayid, keeps the FSW going? Hmmmmmmmmm…….
Thoughts….
interesting. I agree, I think if Desmond goes with MIB/Nemesis it will keep the “loveless” alt universe going. If he goes with Jacob it will keep the Island time real. Desmond is the lynchpin
i was thinking the exact same thing! ill even go a step further and say she created the sideways, not mib. as i said in my All you need is Love theory, i think eloise created sideways to bring back her son she killed. and i was actually thinking that what if she is mib/jacob’s mom as in the bible story people have been saying and i came to write my theory, and then i read yours.
You did a very nice job here appledouble…
Im not sure how much I really see playing out, but you do a great job selling it.
I really like the twists that you put on Hawking as Jacob and MIBs mother…that would be fun if they made that work.
Nice thoughts, great imagination in your predictions!
I always refered to eloise as mother time before we found out who she was. I believe that those who leave the island age! So if she remained she wouldve stayed young so could be older than we think and fit in with your theory of Jacob / MIB mother
I did the same back when we learned her name was ‘Hawking’, it just made sense when combining it with her conversation and predictions with Desmond.
I still find it ironic that she says you cant change the past, and whats done is done, yet her son continues to drive the fact that, not only can you change the past, but that they DID change the past, creating the new timeline that he feels should not be…
Good thought on the ‘mother time’ Addict…
Okay I love this theory! I had never had it pop into my head before which is strange because Eloise has always seemed to have the answers. I always wondered how but this could very well be the real reason!
After just hitting the “submit content” button, I’m sitting here pondering some more about this issue.
Remember Eloise’s conversation with Desmond in the jewelry store? Basically “youre going to break her heart and enter a race which leads you to the island where you push a button for three years and eventually hit the fail safe key, and if you dont do those things we all die”. Seems as if she’s talking about the same thing that Widmore referred to in the last ep of S6 last night about Desmond’s unique talent for withstanding electromagnetic energy.
Eloise’s mention of the fail-safe key to Desmond is the focus; she was referring to the fact that once he does turn the key, he will then gain the unique ability that Widmore is referring to. Eloise knew all along that the key factor is Desmond’s ability to withstand electromagnetic energy. That’s why he had to turn the fail-safe key.
I was thinking that the FSW was like a mind trap for the people that stand in MiB’s way. Like if their consience minds are in the ALT then they cant stop MiB from getting what he wants. I have no clue however, as to why we would see Locke’s FSW if thats the case, I dont know.
At the end of the episode “The Variable” she says “for the first time in a long time, i don’t know what’s gonna happen next”.
I think she is like the Oracle in the Matrix. Oracle couldn’t see pass the choices made by The One, in the same way Eloise can’t see pass the choices make by the losties (variables of the equation according to Faraday).
i dig eloise hawking as a character, and agree that she will be instrumental in solving the MIB equation, but,
colour me confused, did MIB not say in the last ep, we all have limitations. I believe that was in discussion with sayid when talking about swimming/moving through water…
now if the island sunk, would MIB not be trapped?
I think you’re on to something here appledouble. I have a theory about the island itself being the real power at play here. I also think that someone is controling the island and it’s powers. Someone that is beyond Jacob and MIB.
Allie fits the bill for sure. She does seem to know things beyond anyone else.
She made a very interesting comment to Des. She said to him that he was in “violation”. I think she is talking about the rules again. The rules that the island has setup.
I agree with you completely obsessedWlost in that Eloise created the timeline somehow.
Remember in the flashback to Daniel playing the piano as a boy Eloise is crying telling him there is no time for anything else but math? It seems that right then she knows that her son has been killed. Eloise is aware of what has happened on the island. Looking at the age of Daniel it could very well be 1977 when HE is a boy which is when he is killed on the island.
Her pushing Daniel to math ultimately leads him to the island where his idea to detonate a nuclear bomb is what directly leads to the creation of the ALT timeline. To me Eloise has masterminded all of the events in order to create a universe where her son is not dead.
Nice theory, not sure if I entirely agree with some of it though. I believe Desmond knows more than we think and he wouldn’t just submit to going to help Sayid.
My other problem with it is that by helping Sayid he helps continue the FSW. What’s to say that now he’s back in the FSW he hasn’t passed out again? It seems very possible that he just drifts in and out of conciousness like on the boat in Season 4 (notice that George was also on the ship btw?)
It does seem apparent that Eloise knows what’s going on with the FSW. It leads us to believe that she may have created the FSW to have Daniel back, or if she did not create it then she at least wants to hang on to that version of reality where her son is alive whether or not that dimension is “real” or “valid”. Doesn’t it seem odd that she can “see” more of what is really gong on than Charles Widmore, and really anyone else we know for that matter? The question is, is she taking advantage of a consequence of the master plan, or is she manipulating the plan itself? Is she somehow in control of the Island, working alongside of it, or maybe she just knows more than most about what is happening. In the FSW Charles W. doesn’t seem to know squat about the Island.
Is she Jacob and MIB’s mother? I doubt it. I believe that at some point she has figured out more about the workings/purpose of the island than most have. She somehow “knew” that Desmond was going to push the failsafe button, but it seems a stretch to think that she was manipulating those events to save Daniel. She seemed to have the same ability that Desmond gained after being exposed to the EM blast.
The great mystery now is what she meant by labeling Desmond’s search for Penny as a “violation”. To her it may be a violation that could destroy the alt timeline in which Daniel is alive. Or maybe it is a violation that could somehow result in an advantage for MIB? Speculation abounds!
But the real revelation is that she knows more than we do about what is going on with the Island, the alt timeline and possibly the struggle between Jacob and the MIB. Is she a player or just an observer?
Now… when are we going to learn more about Christian? I’ll wager that he has a role to play…