The Dead Con
I’m going to make this quick. I’m wondering about Sawyer. If you thought of this first you have my undying love and respect.
We’ve recently learned that there is something significant about people who have died and come back to life (it’s funny that in Lost the significance of that isn’t automatic) and the relationship they share with the Man in Black. Claire seems to have died and come back and Sayid definitely has… and each are now sided with him.
I’ll mention two other examples of people who were near to death and were healed or maybe who even died and were brought back… The first is Ben. He was shot by Sayid and was healed in the Temple. I’m assuming that since he was brought to the Temple for healing that he was healed by Jacob. The other is Sawyer. Remember when Sawyer was shot and they carried him across the jungle from the Tailies Camp at the Arrow Station? Was he healed or did he die and come back? Not really sure at this point and I don’t think the distinction is actually important.
This is what I think is important about it. Ben was healed by Jacob. Sawyer was healed by Jack. Jack seems a pretty likely candidate for Jacob’s replacement and non-Locke seems like he might be making a pass at Sawyer. Sawyer could have died at that time (and the way he channeled Kate’s father, Wayne makes me think he did die) and left the island… in a way he could have “gone home” except that Jack brought him back to / kept him on the island. He’s still there because of Jack and it’s interesting that he’s one of the characters who haven’t left, though not for lack of trying. This could be, as far as we know, a close parallel to the story of Jacob and That Other Guy.
So I think Jack is the new Jacob… and I’m pretty certain about it. Jacob definitely seems like a healer and that’s pretty much what we’ve seen from Jack. He’s a healer but we’ve seen him struggle while searching for his own peace. Jacob is a healer and he’s found his peace. Jack will get there. The MIB is trapped on the island and he was trapped there by Jacob. I think he may be looking for a replacement too and I think he’s looking to Sawyer. I think the show’s resolution could hinge on Sawyer and some decisions he’s going to make over the next few weeks… to join the MIB or to thwart his plans. I think he’ll make the right choice though… I think he’s been conning him since the MIB found him in his dirty drawers.
A Greed. I sawyers pulling a con on a great con man (i mean one who shape shifts? thats pretty sweet). I’ve also been leaning towards jack being jacobs replacement due to similar reasons. I don’t know if sawyer died earlier though…and i think the water healed ben before, it just wasn’t muddied.
sawyer seems a suitable replacement for MIB in that they are both great conmen and sawyers ability to see right through people (not literally. at least not yet)
the real test to see if jack is truly at peace will be kate. shes always on his mind. if he can free himself of her hold on him, and make decisions for the greater good, i think hell get there
That’s a good point about Kate. I think Kate will make a good test for both Jack and Sawyer.
I don’t think it’s really important if they died or were just healed. I change my mind every time I think about it. Or maybe it does make a difference. Sayid and Claire died and now they’re with MIB, Sawyer and Ben were healed and they’re with Jack/Jacob.
i agree with you on that sawyer is a replacement for mib and jack is a replacement for jacob (even thou i think he’s freaking annoying). in the thread about the last scene i said that i think the last scene will be jack and sawyer on the island, like mib and jacob by the statues foot. i do think sawyer isnt convinced with mib’s stories yet, but i dont think he is on jacobs side either. i dont think he is the type of person that picks sides, i think he is ganna tag along with mib and eventually become the new “mib” not because he will become locke’s follower but because he will become the new leader of the “dark side”
This is a good thought…
Ive been trying to do the math…
Sawyer + MIB + con/alternate time line = …something like this…very nicely done.
I guess I forgot that Sawyer was a variable…
Nice job getting it in before tonights show…
I commented in someones theory that they wrote regarding MIB trying to actually become the variable that was to be the next leader.
I wrote that I thought his plan was to “manipulate” the leader…I guess “con” fits well when Sawyer gets thrown into the equation…
So, Im thinking MIB will tell Sawyer to present a con on the other group in an effort to get them to play along with the plan of leaving…and obviously agree that Jack is the chosen one by Jacob.
Thats where I slightly differ in opinion…I dont think “in the long run” Sawyer will make the right choice…maybe tonight for the sake of the parallel timeline story…but in the long run I see a good showdown between he and Jack…not the final showdown…but close, and Kate intervening somehow…Ive suggested the extreme of her killing Sawyer to stop him, but understand the likely-hood of that occurring.
Oh…btw…by “make the right choice”, are you implying that you believe MIB is the wrong choice?
Im not disagreeing in the slightest…just curious to see if you have chosen a side…
ps…best theory here in a couple of weeks…again nice job…
Very likely. I agree that possibly in the end Jack will be the new Jacob and Sawyer the new MIB, especially considering that both have the same kind of neverending rivalry between them as Jacob/MIB, so it would be really appropiate.
I don’t know how much it cares is someone is dead on the island or is healed by the island protector, but very good theory nonetheless.
This is a crazy thought I had that relates to Sawyer channeling Wayne as you mentioned in the post. What if he didn’t channel Wayne, but instead channeled himself from the flash sideways. Kate kills James Ford!
Are you saying that Sawyer was dead throughout his romance with Juliet? I’m not sure I get that part of the theory…
That question was meant for highbrow.
Another thing, where does Locke belong in this? Was he just a confused man, and the end will just be about Jack and Sawyer?
Sorry I had to sit out the comments on my own theory for so long… something came up on Tuesday and I wasn’t able to see the new episode until last night… didn’t want to get spoiled.
Anyway… AES: Thanks! Wow, common ground, huh? I’m not really sure about the right and wrong choice… maybe that was the wrong choice of words. With Sawyer though I’m fairly certain (having seen Recon) that his moment of choosing (sides) will be when he catches up with Anthony Cooper in sidewaysland. It’s a choice he made once already on the island and it’s going to be either kill him and join with the smoke or arrest him and join with Jacob/Jack. There may be a third option though and if anyone is going to take it, it’ll be Sawyer. I think it was kind of hinted at when Sawyer ran into Widmore. Independent. He may actually end up just on Sawyers side.
@ilieintheshadowofthestatue: That was what I was originally thinking in this theory… That Sawyer died and was resurrected. I changed my mind on that while commenting on this theory. I think he was healed by Jack (even if Jack didn’t know what he was doing at the time) in the same way Jacob is able to heal (as with Ben).
Where does Locke fall into all of this? I think Locke is a pretty significant fellow… I’m not sure how to say it though. I don’t think that Locke is the island itself and I don’t want to sound like I’m saying that all of this is happening in Locke’s head… but something along those lines. Locke may be a reincarnation of whatever it is that Jacob and the Other Guy are aspects of. Or something along those lines…
@Penelopedean: You know what? I’m going to go ahead and agree with you that it’s possible that Kate will Kill Sawyer in the sidways world. It’s comforting to think that the writers were thinking that far ahead! It didn’t seem like much of a leap at the time to think that it was Wayne speaking through Sawyer but now that Kate and Sawyer have bumped into each other and seem to be on opposing sides…
If Sawyer ends up dying in sidewaysland it could prevent him from “choosing” a side… maybe that would explain his independent status…
I’ve been saying Late was going to kill Sawyers for months now…the other timeline makes sense…nice call.
It seems that everyone accepted Jack as the new Jacob, but I think that would be too predictable for the writers. (And if they were that predictable, we’d have a lot more correct theories on this site, but alas!) I would be disappointed if Jack ends up being the chosen one because everyone already suggested that a hundred times. Someone else would throw us all off, and frankly, it would be a lot more interesting.
Yes, I don’t want to hear anyone more predicting that Lost will end with Jack sitting on the beach or waking up or dying as a hero. Booooring!
Ahh I really dont think Sawyer is dead or resurrected, he seemed to be his old self for a long time after that so I cant go with it.
When Flocke refers to Locke he talks about as him as if he knew of him an not really 1st person.
I agree that Sawyer is conning MIB someway & now that Kate is involved again in Sawyers camp I think Sawyer will be cautious of his choices instead of FTW mentallity after Juliet died.
AES and I are agreeing on stuff too much lately… it’s taking some of the fun out of this… 😉
I hope Kate does kill Sawyer in Sidewaysville… it’ll be interesting to see how that affects Sawyer and their relationship on the island.
Jack as the new Jacob may be predictable now but I think that at this point, just a few episodes away from the end, some parts of the show’s resolution should be predictable… Otherwise there’s really no point of trying to figure out what’s going on until we see it because apparently the end of the show is just going to be something the writers thought up completely at random.
Jack being Jacob isn’t something that just happened though… it’s been building for a while. It’s a journey we’ve watched him make for years now… it would be a shame to see that rug just pulled out from under him at the last second just for the sake of a twist ending. Besides, the point behind the show isn’t just Jacob’s replacement (at least I hope not)… there has to be more to it than that! That’s just part of it… If you want weird twists then I suggest you start watching Flash Forward… it started out slow but Dominic Monaghan is single handedly making it great…
Must be a season pattern, because I agree completely with you last comment…
To break the chain…changing the pattern of the ‘loop’ will also effect the past that we have seen in the form of change…
😉
You did that on purpose… I don’t think you even believe that yourself!
You’re right…I don’t believe it…I know it.
We’re not going to be re-watching any of the old scenes we’ve already seen with different results. You can bet on that.
Are you messing with me?
No. Are you messing with me?
Not at all…
http://blog.cafepress.com/2010/03/15/spoiler-alert-lost-grand-prize-winner-announced/
It’s not a spoiler
So I guess it begins again…
Regardless if there was another timeline created as part of the ‘change’…we still see the plane crash happen…then not happen…
Which in my humble opinion, is a scene in which was shown to us once, and then shown to us again with different results…
Alternate/parallel/different/created timeline…regardless of which one is real…is change none the less to the original timeline and ‘scene’…
And to anyone that believes that the Losties from one timeline will eventually merge with the other timelines selves…I would imagine that when they do merge…they will be changed as well…
Stupid ‘box factory’ computers wont let me see link…
Oh youre a dick
HA HA HA! It’s not change, and here’s the reason. The crash still happened! Just because we saw it not happen doesn’t mean it didn’t happen! That can only make sense on Lost. If it changed and then didn’t happen then there wouldn’t be any Losties on the island… but every Thursday for around half of the hour that Lost is on we see a bunch of Losties running around on the island…
I’m happy to have the chance to be right about this twice! And both times in the same timeline, too! Lucky me!
I was just using the ‘scene’ to make you wrong…sorry…
As I’ve said before, Mr Hume will cause the change I expect.
I doubt it… I think that will be the last scene of the series finale… All of the surviving Losties will be there in a life-or-death struggle against Evil Incarnate when suddenly Desmond shows up! Yay, Desmond! Jack shouts to Desmond with desperation in his voice, “Des! Use your power! Change the past!”
Desmond shrugs and says “huh?”.
LOST.
Geez highbrow…spoiler alert…
Sorry… why don’t I just give it away?
It’s Hurley. The grand prize winner is Hurley.
Good insights into the deaths or near deaths, highbrow. After watching Recon, I was reminded of Jack when watching Sawyer. They seem to be on an even keel in one respect. They’ve sussed out that Jacob and Flocke need them for something and that they are trying to manipulate them. But they’ve both managed to out-manoevre both Jacob and Flocke: Jack with his theory about not being able to die, and Sawyer with his uncanny way of seeing through Flocke. Sawyer’s even managed to draw quite alot of truth and straight talking out of Flocke. They both seem to me to be maintaining their independence, and I don’t think it will come down to them chosing sides. I think in the end they both want to get their people to a safe place; they both value the people they have been through all of this with. I don’t think they care what happens to the island. Locke was the only one who cared about the island itself. So I agree with you when you mention that Locke may be the island itself or something along those lines.
There will be some sort of showdown between Jack and Sawyer. Sawyer blames Jack for Juliet’s death and then of course there’s Kate.