conceiving the inconceivable
What a horrible title…
OK, You have to read my other theory “Y: The Last Man” to get this, read the comments as well, dont mind my ranting, bad day yesterday. Caught up, good.
I am trying to tackle the pregnancy problem on the island. At least, get a better idea of the cause…or maybe its the “correction” we are witnessing. The story of Caires planned adoption and her ending up with the baby…at least for more than planned, gave me some idea that course correction has to do with whats going on. Claire was supposed to raise the baby, right?
My thought is, that what if the island was not taking away the possibility of having a child, but giving it. There obviously is something stopping it, whether time, a cure to a disease, something. But What if the whole thing is different than we think. “Its a place where miracles happen” is what John told Jack las year. Miracles indeed. We are caught right now in all the bad things going on. “This place is death!” Charolette screamed, and everyone said…”Maybe it is?”. Speculative theories flew, and I threw my two cents in on comments, that it may be a terrible place where death is around every corner. A possibility of a bomb destroying the island. The infamous incident, has become spoken of more. A past war, coming back to play again. Even the island causing the end of the world.
But we forget sometimes forget, that it is a place where miracles happen. We forget, what they are truly fighting for. Rose, cancer free? Lockes paralysis, cured. All the many character flaws, realized, denied, accepted, and cured. Sawyer, Kate, Jack, Sayid, found a light, that they havent turned on in many years. Peace almost, well, except for the fact that they were stuck on an island. They sometimes forgot, and made us forget, that they were really trying to get off.
I bring this up, because, of all the things that happened, one true, good, real thing has come from all this.
With regards to my last post, revolving around the pregnancy issue, and the comic book, it had me thinking all day. Then it hit. Jin could not concieve a child off the island, so unless someone else is the real father, which I truly do not believe, Jin was the one cured and not Sun. Someone on another post (if its you, speak up) said something about people being cured of ailments, and I thought of this. Yes, we can give in to the fact that it may be just like everyone else, his problem was solved, but what effect would this have in the real world. This child was not supposed to be, right? Think. Do we know of any of the people that had children on the island, or children born/concieved there have brothers or sisters? I dont remember any if so. Which would lead me to believe, that their pupose began, trying to give life to a child, through a mother/father who were not capable.
This is debatable, I just see the pregnancy issue coming back very soon with Danielle about to pop, and the new comic book reference i found. We’ll have to wait and see. This is a pretty new topic for me, never tried tackling “pregnancy on Lost” before, so I have some more research to do before I have better answer/idea.
Let me know what you think. Help me out, or tell me dead end.
go on… i like this
So how does Amy’s and Horace’s baby fit in?
Conceived (I assume) on the island and delivered (with much trepidation) by Juliet on the island… In 1977.
Is it possible or imaginable that BEN sinned against the island and that the island stopped allowing children to be born on the island, begining with Ben’s child conceived with Annie? Remember, at the time of the purge Annie is nowhere to be seen. Could Ben have secreted a pregnant Annie away to a safe place on the island before initiating the purge? Could the island then have decided to punish Ben by killing his ‘wife’ and un-born child?
Could this be the root of Ben’s obsession with the sterility issue? Could he be funding research into understanding the mechanism that the island used to hurt him. Is he in a hate-love relationship with the island?
Hi AES, great post!
The birth of Ji-Yeon was definitely a miracle! Jin was sterile off of ‘the island’. He and Sun would never have been able to conceive, were it not for ‘the island’.
Even though Sun gave birth off island, it is still a miracle. I mentioned in a previous post, that while Sun gets pregnant on ‘the island, she gives birth off of the island.
Claire gets pregnant off of the island, and gives birth on ‘the island’. So, in many ways this is also a miracle.
Juliette and Ethan assist with a vaccine when Claire arrives, to ensure nothing happens to her. She was showing signs of the same symptoms the women of ‘the others’ had during their pregnancies.
As for the fertility problems, I have never been satisfied that the ‘time issues’ answer this satisfactorily. And, there have been some amazing theories put forth on the subject.
We now know Amy was able to give birth successfully around 1977. At that point, there were no problems.
It seems that when the problems might have arisen, was some time during the ‘Incident’ and eventually ‘the Purge’.
The research I have done on the effects of radiation from an ‘H’ bomb, or the gas which was used on ‘the island’, has dramatic effects on pregnancies. It causes cancer, birth defects, etc.
Juliette’s sister, Rachael developed infertility problems due to the radiation treatments from her cancer. Juliette cures her, and is summoned to ‘the island’, to assist ‘the others’.
I would think the mystery lies somewhere between the dates of the ‘incident’ and the ‘purge’.
I think we will be seeing more pregnancies and more miracles in future.
I suspect Juliette is in the right time frame, to be effective now!
Wow, that was long winded! lol
Great post AES.
Dabs, do you realize what you said?
“Juliet is in the right time frame to be effective now.” That is a GREAT statement to what I have been thinking about and wrestling around with about the WHY behind the time issues and course correction. Great supporting statement to an idea that isn’t even the main point. 🙂
AES, I think you are right on to draw attention back to the role (character, even) of the island. I think the writers give us a buffet table of issues, ideas, themes, reasons, etc. and sometimes we just get stuck in a rut of what we choose to put on our plate to discuss. By doing this, we lose sight of something bigger.
To bring up the healing powers of the island PLUS it surrounding pregnancies and ultimately births/creation of a person is a huge path to follow. All of our people have had purposes, and if they didn’t exist, there would be certain scenarios that might not have happened, right? (That’s the whole fate-destiny/free-will conversation.) So to remind us that Ji-Yeon couldn’t have been if it hadn’t been for the island is a good connection between the pregnancy issues and the bigger theme of what is “supposed” to be.
Thanks for the good words, I promise to find at least something to add before next show. I have a few good ideas, its just making them into credible theories is the hard part ;]