Are you wrong? A response…
I put this at the end of the Am I Wrong post from A.E.S. because I’m not sure if many people are following that post… it’s fallen off the main page anyway. I wasn’t online all weekend so I didn’t get a chance to respond to some challenges made there in a timely manner. Anyway, this was my last comment. If you want to jump in go ahead and read up on the Am I Wrong post then the Am I Wrong part II post… Have fun going through the 200 or so comments! It’ll be worth it, I promise. Anyways, I digress.
Here’s the issue I think we’re having. There’s timelines and then there’s timelines. When I say Hurley’s timeline I’m referring to the sequence of events from Hurley’s perspective.
Check this out. Jack is at the bar knocking back a few drinks, poppin’ some pills, whatever it takes to get him going… anyway, he leaves the bar and gets himself pulled over. No matter what he tells the officer about needing to go back to the island or how much he complains about how much his beard itches the cop insists that he step out of the car for a field sobriety test. Jack finally complies.
“Walk along that line”, the officer says. Jack positions himself on the line and begins to walk. Now, it might seem to someone who is inebriated that there is more than one line and that can be confusing… that’s the point of the test. In reality there is only one line. You need to clearly see the line in order to walk along it.
So Jack takes a step, then another step, then another. Next thing he knows his mind is spinning like some kind of donkey wheel! He stumbles, spins around backward and takes two steps in the wrong direction moving back along the line. The officer is not surprised. Jack regains his composure, turns himself back around and moves forward a step before turning around and moving back three steps. He then moves forward two steps only to get dizzy again and he ends up back all the way at the beginning of the line and falls down on his face. He rolls onto his back only to see Officer Jacob Shepherd standing over him like some kind of ancient statue. The officer promises to get Jack a tissue for his bloody nose.
One line with just a few drunks moving forward and backwards.
When I say ‘Hurley’s time line’ I’m talking about the path Hurley takes along THE TIME LINE. The time line is linear. Hurley’s time line is not. It’s a broken line with the two parts overlapping which is not to say that it’s two of the same Hurley existing at the same time’ one is older and has more experiences. If he’s sobered up in time then when he gets back to the point where he stumbled and fell backwards he’ll be able to continue walking further along the line’
Interesting. Since I wasn’t in on these discussions I’m gonna stay out. The whole time travel deal as I’ve said for the last couple day’s is a wait and see approach for me at this point. Nice one.
Wait and see? If John Locke where here he’d say “where would be the fun in that”…
This is where I agree, I think there is one timeline. What I think we disagree on, Highbrow, is that while Jack is stumbling back and forth on the line, can he say or do things that can affect the events on the line. That is to say, he may not change where the line goes, but the events as they happen along the line. Free will, and the fact that our losties have some knowledge of events along the timeline, as they flash back and forth, could be evidence enough that things can be changed maybe ever so slightly. It remains to be seen, I think that we will see soon.
I was actually looking to share this in the earlier threads but since this is the latest – hope you don’t mind. I love this train of thought and thanks to all for posting 🙂
Now, I get that ‘whatever happened, happened’ but maybe not HOW it happened. Hear me out..
I was watching this movie called Deja Vu the other day (sorta related to time travel) and one of the characters said something to the effect of – “you can’t change the past, let’s just say God had a plan on how things will play out”.
So that got me thinking about for example, Ben leaving and returning to the island. He wasn’t supposed to turn the FDW, he wasn’ts suppposed to leave in the first place.
Overall, I think that this ties in with the whole course correction theory. God had a plan on how things will play out. The end game remains the same.
Hey Marty, wheres the Doc?…
Oh how I feel this pilling up the comments. Ok, I seriously GET what you are saying, I truly do. Maybe this is where the miscommunication is between you and I. I completely understand what you are saying, I just dont agree with it…fully. My problem is, that at some point there was no time machine. At some point, there was just what we know in real life today. That timetravel is possibe and it hasnt been done yet. But the problem with me saying that is, that if timetravel happens in the future and people return to the point of where I have written this sentence or before, my sentence is incorrect, even if it wasnt technically available at the the time this was actually written.
Thats kind of how I see all this….and I guess that little analogy wont make sense yet, will it.
I swear, I am going to try to focus on timeLINES and not say the word LOOP, other than this sentence, throughout this post. And no, I wont bet I can make it.
Ok, discussion time. Ive been slightly bored the last couple of days and this is a good one to get me ready for this week.
Let us use Sawyer as the example person. So how exactly would the timeline of Sawyer go, on the show of Lost. Not how time on the island is moving or jumping, but Sawyer himself? He jumped/moved/traveled from 2004, through all the times they had a short, but monumental stays in, and end up in ’74. I get that they most likely influenced events in the past to make the present/future what its is today. You yourself, and a few others here, got me to that point. Im about 99% that they didnt change things, merely filled their shoes that they were supposed to fill, and helped time and events play out to get us to where we are in the story when 815 crashed. I do have a question on that, that I asked somewhere in 200 comments. It was either lost or answered and I missed it, so I shall ask again, before continuing, because it does make a difference, although it may seem insignifigant. Why does Danielle not remember the disappearing Asian that her and her crew picked up from the ocean and helped get on the island. Why does she not say anything about Jin, looking the same as he does in 2004 upon crash, when she goes to the camp. He was there when her crew was first abducted by the monster. He was there when she killed her husband and childs father. Why does she not remember this man. I would, especially if he was one of the last people I had real contact with…before he disappeared.
PLEASE..dont say she didnt see him or recognize him. I know its been a long time, but someone who disappears before your eyes on an island that a smoke monster inhabits and you become trapped on for the rest of your life there after having a baby and then having her stolen…you get it, I need something good.
Even without it, I still have a few shells left, but this bothers me as much as anything else on Lost right now.
There is a bigger question to ask. Bigger than anything I think asked yet. But there are a few steps to get there.
I can’t answer for Danielle in particular but I do know that a present day Charles Widmore remembers John Locke visiting him many years ago while he was on the island. I don’t know if trauma is a good enough answer as to why Danielle may not remember Jin but at this point it’s as good as any.
AES, that is the exact same question I have posed in a post a while back, and I cannot remember it being answered either.
I personally think that Jin was NOT there at first, or else Rousseau would recognize him, and his travel changed what happens. It seems to be the only logical explanation.
Are you agreeing with me walkabout, or that… bad man highbrow?
She could have reason to not acknowledge him. Not sure why, but she could. That is my only other dispute. I just cant see her not at least giving him a strange look, anything. I know they dont get much screentime together, and I know that Jin never actually tells her his tale, but how could you possibly not remember that disappearing man?
Have you considered that time working in a linear fashion on the Island irrespective of the time travel, but not so off the Island?
Widmore recognizes John because he is actually in the future off the Island and remembers him from his real past on the Island.
How do i explain this in a way that might make sense as I’m having trouble putting it into words. Time travel only exists on the Island. It is not happening in the real world, so once in the real world, your past is the past, but on the Island the time lines all intersect so your past could actually be your future.
Walkabout –
Widmore remembering Locke is different, as he tells Locke that he remembers him AFTER Locke visits Widmore in Locke’s timeline AND Widmore’s timeline. So Locke’s timeline goes: 815 crash (2004), back to ’54 (1954), off the island with Widmore (2007).
Jin’s timeline however is: 815 crash (2004), Rousseau crash site (1988), DHARMA (1977). So Jin has his time with the present Rousseau BEFORE his time with past Rousseau, while Locke has his time with the present Widmore AFTER his time with past Widmore.
Does this make any sense? Because I am pretty confused myself.
Highbrow, I have more or less come to the conclusion that our view of Lost is eerily similar. We pretty much split this hair over and over. I think I may have swayed you on a few things, and your persistance has shown me the light on a few beliefs I now have. Let me ask you this. If something does prove to change on Lost, a signifigant character die prematurly, or a signifigant event not occur, what would this change in the conflict we are now and forever it seems discussing? What would this mean in terms of timelines, or…said I wouldnt say it, repetative timeperiods on Lost?
Walkabout I dont know who mentioned Rousseau But you did. And that Gal is very crazy and has been on the Island to long. Think about the flashes we have seen. So much to explain about Danielle, Alex and Carl too.
Rousseau has been Isolated and overcome since her first experience on the well.
Question: If someone dies in 1977 that we have already seen in 2004 on the island, what does that mean for this theory, and the whole “time” debate?
Username…That is probably the closest thing to an agreement that could be had here. I have not considered it until now. It makes a scary amount of sense…BUT, yeah, you knew that was coming. I actually think it may be…(cant believe Im going to say this) too complicated, but simple at the same time. Complicated for the novice viewer and easy for us. Plus Richard remembers Locke, on island after his appearance from the 50s.
Cappayne, this is only from our perspective, its not from Danielles perspective. To say that, would mean that Jins appearance changed the past, and Lockes did not. That make any kind of sense?
So sorry Highbrow, Kind Of, My last statement got cut off and it was really a quality one. So I am gonna take a break and come back here and tell you a little bit about Happy Day’s and how it affects the Fonzz
Cappayne, are you rubbing off on me or I you? Same question…simoposting ;]
Right right, AES. I got really confused, as I often do.
Ok, I’ve been reading the theories on this site since the beginning of season 5, and I’ve never commented, but I feel like there are is an issues that need to be addressed.
First, I love the thoughtfulness and depth of the discussions on this site. So, this is not directed at any one person, but is instead a general idea that I believe everyone should keep in mind.
The SECOND that the Lost writers brought time-travel into the show, paradoxes were created, no matter what TPTB say. The very nature of time-travel is paradoxical. The only way around this is to have split timelines that occur every time someone (or something) shifts in time. If, at the end of season six, we discover that there are multiple universes containing multiple, different versions of the island and the characters we know, then I suppose that wouldn’t be a “paradox,” but it would ultimately be just as confusing, and far less satisfying.
Since everyone seems to agree that Lost is not going to go down the “multiple universes” path, then we must accept that the show will be filled with paradoxes. We can argue about “course correction,” but, really, the idea makes no sense. If events are predetermined, than they must be predetermined down to the last molecule. If they aren’t, then anything and everything can be changed. A television show doesn’t have to follow rules of logic or physics, though. So, the writers can (and do) use course correction as a handy narrative device to drive the plot along. They may reveal that course correction is only a falsehood spread by Hawking, Widmore, etc., but even then most of the plot involving time-travel will make very little logical sense.
Theories such as “I think the four-toed statue is -blank-” or “I think Jacob is actually a merman” are productive and can be deduced from clues found in the episodes. Theories about timelines are much more difficult, because of their paradoxical nature. Here are a few examples:
It is 1996. Locke is at the commune. If Charles Widmore happened to drop by, would he recognize Locke? Would Locke recognize him even though he has not traveled to meet him yet?
It is a LONG time ago. There is no well above the FDW. As far as we know, no one knows the island can be used to travel through time. But, some ancients see a rope sticking out of the ground, so they dig there, and find the FDW, which eventually will allow Sawyer to travel and grab the rope. This IS a classic paradox.
The writers don’t have to worry about any of that, though. They can pick and choose their own “rules” about time travel, but they aren’t always bound by them. When the last episode airs, there will be ALOT of impossibilities and illogical moments, and we will be no closer to solving the “timeline mystery” than we are now. We will have answers to the show’s major mysteries, I believe, but, like all sci-fi shows, we won’t have any logical explanation of time-travel. Because, quite simply, there isn’t one.
Regarding Rousseau not recognising Jin.
We know that Jin is working for Dharma. We know that Danielle’s team crashes while Dharma is still active.
Would it be a stretch to say that Rousseau has not been living strictly in isolation when she sees Jin post-815?
What I’m saying is, WHAT IF Jack/Jin/Sawyer etc fill Rousseau in on the details and tell her what she is ‘supposed’ to do according to what they remember from when they were on the island in Seasons 1 through 4. I’m saying she may have been working with the Losties+Frieghties+Juliette (please can someone invent an easier name for this group?) to an end that hasn’t yet been revealed? She was supposed to abduct Aaron, meet Claire in the woods after her escape from the Staff and so on..
If this were the case, would she really have reacted to seeing Jin post-crash? She knew that he would be there, and she knew that he had no clue that she knew who he was, and probably wouldn’t want to mention it because what good would it do?
Just some thoughts.
A.E.S. –
I’m not sure what the exact debate is at this point, is it still time loop vs. no time loop?
cappayne –
You’re right about the difference in timelines from the time travelers perspective (an interesting point I might add), but from the islanders perspective we have a similar set of events.
Widmore meets Locke (from future crash of 815) in the 50s on the island, remembers him, and confronts him about it in 2005/6 (off island).
Rousseau meets Jin (from future crash of 815) in the 80s on the island, remember/surpress/insert-theory-here/s him, and doesn’t have much interesting interaction with him in 2004 when she encounters him.
The question is why does Widmore remember Locke, but Rousseau not appear to remember Jin? We basically have 2 events that are very similar (extraordinary and memorable I would say) but at this point 2 different outcomes. Does it have to do with Rousseau still being on the island with her future encounter, and Widmore being off the island with his? Or the fact the Locke turned the Donkey Wheel somehow made his past actions written in time?
Or did the writers just not have all this time travel stuff planned when Jin and Rousseau met for the first time (blasphemy!)?
MacCutcheon –
Good ideas, but that would mean the PASTies would have to be living in Dharma time for years, which with only a season and a half left doesn’t seem plausible (IMO). There could be another flash that could take them closer to Rousseau’s time …
I skipped a bunch of comments because I haven’t been back to check since yesterday afternoon. I’ll get back to reading them in a minute.
Danielle is nuts! It’s been many years! Did she ever mention the smoke monster to anyone? She had plenty of chances to describe it in detail. There are definitely issues with her memory or at least what she reveals that she remembers… she tells the story and vaguely says “where Montand lost his arm…” or something like that. But then she didn’t say “Holy crap, you should have seen it! This huge cloud of freaky black smoke shows up and starts grabbing people! We tried to hold on to Montand but his freakin’ arm ripped right off!”.
I think you’re right AES. We have a very similar view of things on Lost… it’s just a couple minor details.
What is the significance of a major character dying? You mean one of the Losties in the past? None, if I’m right! Say Sawyer dies in 1979. “We’ve already seen him in 2004”, you say! Ah, you’re right. That would absolutely, positively, without a doubt, disprove the time loop theory. Unless after he dies they go back and retell the entire story from the beginning without him. I really hope that doesn’t happen.
cropdustertoad, I want to agree with you on one point and disagree on another.
I agree that if events have already been determined then they must be determined down to even the most miniscule detail. Some people think it’s just the major events that cannot change but every event, no matter how small, has major consequences over time. I think this only applied to “the past” however. The past being events that happened earlier from your perspective (along your own timeline, to use a dangerous word). The future is different. This is where course correction could come in to ensure some major events.
I disagree though that time travel equals automatic paradox. If we’re to believe Daniel that “whatever happened, happened” then there wouldn’t be a paradox. If Daniel is wrong then there would be a paradox.
I have a question, not sure if it has been asked. If Daniel knows that whatever happens happens then why does he tell Desmond to contact his mother in the future? If whatever happens happens then he knows this will have absolutely no consequence on what could happen in the future. So why the excersise in futility? I think Daniel knows that things can be influenced, within a certain set of rules. I don’t believe that Desmond was always going to contact Daniels mother in the timeline. I think that is why they showed it as a ‘memory’ in one of Desmond’s dreams, it was a new addition to the timeline.
Yeah, Daniel knows something about Desmond… He knows he’s special. He knows that Desmond has been disconnected from time and saved by his constant. He’s overcome the major effects of being disconnected like uncontrolled shifting between two times and, of course, death. We know all that. But was he reconnected? Was he made normal because he found his constant?
Desmond remembers this information as a flash from the past because, well, that’s kind of how it works with Desmond. Does that really change anything? No, not really… if you were to see these events from further in the future you’d see Daniel talk to Desmond at the Swan and Desmond later you’d see Desmond remember the conversation…
Desmond doesn’t just remember the conversation. It was like the memory was being written at the same moment Daniel was telling Desmond on the island. Remember also that Desmond wasn’t on the island through the time shifts. I think that we can also say that the outside world is unaffected by the islands time shifts. We can say this because while the losties that were on the island shifting through time the O6 were off island not shifting through time. So having said that I think that the island can shift through time and the outside world just resumes normally. We know that Desmond and the O6 are off of the island and so when the losties on island shift through time and reach the time period when Daniel talks to Desmond I think that that clearly (as clearly as can be with lost) shows that Daniel created a new memory. That is why I think my point that if Desmond is off the island with Penny and living a normal life on his boat while the island/or people on the island start to shift through time then Daniel is planting a memory that was otherwise not there to begin with.
Maybe he chose Desmond because he knew Desmond was off island and therefore could not be affected by the time shifts. By planting that memory on island Desmond off island remembered it as though it had actually happened, I think he was having a dream, and when he woke up Penny said you were dreaming, but he said that it was real it felt real.
The thing is that if Daniel were actually changing things in the past then Desmond would have remembered that from the time Daniel told him. He would have recognized Daniel when he met him in 2004/05.
But he didn’t recognize him. I think it has to do with the fact that Daniel knows that Desmond left with the O6. By being back in ‘normal time’ Desmond would be unaffected by the time shift and Daniel could create a new memory.
Right, he didn’t. So we know that Daniel hasn’t really changed the past. He changed the future and it’s possible because Desmond is special.
It’s possible that Desmond, in his “dream”, was doing his mind-time travel thing and the guy at the Swan that Daniel talked to was future, albeit confused, Desmond Hume.
If a memory is created in the past then it becomes ‘written in stone’, if you will. So as he created the memory, future Desmond is also having that memory written in his mind, manifesting in him as a dream. Which is why I think he said it felt real, compelling him to actually find Daniel’s mom.
The thing is he told 2003 (or so) Desmond, so 2004 Desmond should remember. It shouldn’t jump from 2003 Desmond to 2007 Desmond.
I’m settled on this. I think his mind was time travelling just like it had before.
2003 Desmond was disconnected with real time so 2003 Desmond can learn something that reconnected 2007 Desmond hadn’t previously known.
Highbrow, it really does seem as if theres a flaw in at least your wording of the situation.
“The thing is he told 2003 (or so) Desmond, so 2004 Desmond should remember. It shouldn
I really don’t think Daniel changes the past here. The most plausible theory in my opinion is that the past Desmond was ‘away’ at this point, and the future Desmond’s consciousness flashed back to when he was living in the Swan. This way, Desmond would not remember Daniel, because this is the first time he’s experienced that particular point in time.
Pretty much just reiterating what Highbrow said – but it doesn’t have to be the case that Desmond would remember it. In fact all the episodes leading to this point (I’m talking Desmond-centric) would point to the idea that Desmond gets his knowledge from jumping backwards and forwards. So far there has been no suggestion that anyone has changed anything that happened in the past.
Yes! I’m saying that when he was having his dream that seemed real to him his consciousness was travelling. He (older Desmond) was there at the Swan when Daniel talked to him. That’s why he doesn’t remember it when he meets Daniel on the island. That’s why he doesn’t remember it until that night later… it’s the only explanation for that “memory” waiting until just then to surface and not coming up earlier.
You almost have me.
Good. I can feel your anger. I am defensless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.
Highbrow, I would sooner burn the world around you, including myself and leave you alone, wondering why you gave me the opportunity. But thats the kind of guy I am, no satisfaction to an enemy…Vader has nothing on me ;]
lol That just totally cracked me up, AES!
I cannot help myself. I have to read every post and read every comment on every post.
Would you guys agree to a one week voluntary moratorium on any posts regarding time travel?
My head is going to explode!
🙂
I was taking notes on your discussion. I swear my notebook looks like Daniel’s after all that.
I just want to thank Cropdustertoad for a wonderful post (and starting you all up again!)
🙂
There is a comment in another post where we basically agreed that we’re ready to drop it. I don’t think any amount of further discussion is going to sway anyone from one side to the other.
So I declare myself the winner of the debate. Case closed.
😉
I am reading Stephen Hawking’s ‘Brief History Of Time’ right now so please bear with me as I take a stab at this.
Using the examples that the writers have given us in the show to illustrate their concept of time travel… Namely Daniel implanting a memory in Desmond’s brain that wakes him up in the middle of the night like a grenade going off.
Example #1: Desmond has no memory of the encounter with Daniel until Daniel creates it. In this case Daniel makes it a compelling suggestion that if Desmond does not do A (meet with Eloise) B will happen (everyone will die). So Desmond suddenly wakes up and does as he is told. So far so good. The question is WHEN will the memory pop up? It has to be related to Daniel’s and Desmond’s time line. In other words If Daniel were not trapped on a time shifting island he would have to resort to some internal time clock to tell how much time has passed. This time clock (Einstein tells us) is a different one than the internal time clock of Desmond. (Hence the theory of relativity). This gives the writers license to have the memory pop up at a time of their choosing.
Example #2: Widmore meets Locke in 1954. In 2006 Charles Widmore has no memory of the encounter. In 2007 John Locke appears out of nowhere in the Tunisian desert and Charles Widmore flies to a small medical station and sees Locke. At some point when he sees Locke he has an epiphany and remembers something he assumes he burried all those years. The mind is a funny thing and all that… We do not see the scene in which Widmore is bowled over by a new memory. Put it down to narrative license.
Example #3: Richard has an encounter with John Locke in 1954. In 1974 he walks into the Dharma village and meets someone who reminds him of the event. Funny, Richard woke up from a sound sleep the night before with just such a repressed memory of meeting John Locke. Except with Richard it did not work that way because he has been pursuing John Locke for the past 30 years, witnessing his birth, testing him as a boy, trying to recruit him as a teen-ager.
Example #4: In 1988 Rousseau encounters Jin. In 2004 815 crashes and Rousseau again encounters Jin. In 2007 the memory surfaces, but wait! Hold the phone, Rousseau is dead. No consequences.
Example #5: Young Ben Linus arrives on the island and encounters any number of Dharma people including Jim LaFleur, a woman from the motor pool names Juliet and a guy named Jin. Later he meets Sayid, his first hostile. We know this is before he meets Richard because a Truce is still in effect. The last time we saw Ben he was un-concious and about to wake up with a nasty Sun stroke (from a paddle, get it?). He will possibly wake up with a whole slew of new memories about the past as well.
I draw very different conclusions from each of these encounters.
example # 4: Rousseau is dead and had little or no control over when the memory of Jin in her past would pop in. My guess is that due to course correction and because Jin encountered her after she has been disconnected from the time line (by getting herself killed) her memories never did pop in.
#3: Richard is special. Perhaps due to the amount of exposure over time to the radiation effects of the island. Maybe the first memory he has of John Locke come the night before he talks to Sawyer and then he travels back in time to 1956 to find out who the hell John Locke is! Then he would travel through the time stream to meet John at different moments in his life. Each encounter (including the first aid he gives him near the beach craft) could be a discrete meeting that is not chronologically tied to the previous or next one.
#2: Charles Widmore obviously remembers John Locke at the moment he meets him again and sees how important he is at that time, but never acted on the information before, or did he? Who sent Abadon to talk to John and plant the idea of a Walkabout in his mind? I am guessing that John has long been a pawn in the fight between Ben and Charles (saince we are a firt name basis). So I can speculate until I am blue in the face as to when Widmore remembered Locke.
#1 and #5: Again, Daniel speculates that Desmond is special because of his exposure to the island’s radiation, to an event. It can be argued that John Locke and Ben Linus were also exposed while turning the Wheel. This would make them all exceptions. I put to you the possibility that from the moment Ben sahowed up in Tunisia in 2005 he has been getting flashes of new memories of his childhood as part of Dharma. He has been remembering the 06 and Juliet and Freighties and has been desperate to get back to change things.
Even worse. I am guessing that Ben Linus may have gained a new power. The same power that Desmond had. He may be able to send his consciousness back into his 14 year old body for periods of time to try to communicate with Sayid and the others and possibly betray them to the Dharma people or the Hostiles. Ben may be more dangerous than ever.
Andre7, “You HAVE to read every post and every comment”?
I would tend to think this is a matter of choice, isn’t it?
I can almost guarantee you that until Lost itself resolves this issue of ‘time’ for the viewers, it WILL be hotly debated and discussed!
Much like you just did, in your comment above!
Freedom of expression and freedom of speech, and freedom of choice are available to us all.
Thanking you in advance for your understanding.
It’s not a choice. From a future stand point he’s already read all of the posts and all of the comments so now he must!
My girlfriend has been prompting me to join this sight and read some of the theories, partly because she wants me to explain some of the information that would require some research, but that I may already know something about.
Then she told me about Highbrow, who has pretty much been hashing out the same things i’ve been telling her, this post included. I am 100% behind the theory you placed in your original post.
There’s a number of different ways to explain this to a number of different people. This is a theory, but my take on it revolves the creedo of an author (I being one). When you write, you make your own universe with your own rules. You cannot break your own rules. Faraday was, among others, a conduit to lay simply one of their rules. “What happened already happened, and you cannot change it”.
But Faraday did not write the story, he is a character in it, a narrerator at best.
Even he said that he couldnt explain what bringing the O6 back to the island would do to fix it, he is as Lost as us at this point. The girl he “didnt’ tell at this point, is not the correct age to be Charolette, and even if it is her, he hasnt told her yet. What ever happened happened is a physicist at the end of his rope, battered and beaten by the failed experiment on an infinite energy, that he tried to harnass.
He has at the moment, been wrong with everything he has said or done on Lost. The only thing he got right was the fact that they were time travelling.
He didnt save Charolette, he didnt stop the skipping island. His experiment with the rocket and the freighter failed. All his test subjects are dead except the woman, Theresa with a feeding tube and breathing machine strapped to her head.
Hell, even Desmond had to go back in time and tell Dan the Brain, what settings to set his machine at. Granted it came from himself in the future, but he didnt figure that out on his own either.
Show me a better track record for the physicist whos mother came from the island. Most of the info he has came from her. All he is is a way for Hwking to play a role still, a puppet like the rest of them.
He is not an author, all seeing, or all knowing. The only thing Dan is aware of is that he failed. Over and over and over he failed. Andwith the fact that he brought the bomb to the isalnd, as per Richard Alpert, he could possibly be the cause to one or several of the problems on Lost.