Complicated Linus
Several things that are not talked about from season 4 in regards to Benjamin Linus really, really bother me. Dont get me wrong, I think he’s a rat, but is he a rat with a purpose?
The first is in the episode with Juliet and Goodwin. There is a part, where Harper Stanhope appears to Juliet in the Jungle. This is not her imagination for two reasons. The first being, Jack saw her too. The second, is something that bugs the hell out of me. She tells Juliet, that Ben sent her to deliver a message…Ben! How did he send her, why did he send her, and why did he say to stop Dan and Charolette? They were saving the people on the island from the gas correct? What was Ben trying to do, kill everyone on the island? Like the Dharma Initiative, they may have experienced the same death.
I mean, Ben did kill the DI right? He set the whole thing up because he is their leader, isnt that how it goes? Not according to Ben. In the episode Cabin Fever, He and Hurley have a conversation about the Dharma Initiative’s demise.
Hurley asks Locke: What happened to them? as he looks into the pit of dead DI members.
Locke: (points at Ben) He did.
Hurley asks about Ben killing the Dharma Initiative.
Ben:I didnt kill them. It wasnt my decision.
Hurley: Then whos was it?
Ben: Their leader’s.
Hurley: I thought you were their leader.
Ben: Not always.
This leaves me at the question, Who was their leader at the time?
Richard seems the obvious choice at this time. Although, if Richard were their leader, I dont think there would be all this fuss over the Locke, Widmore, Ben, battle for leadership. I dont think Richard is this kind of leader. That leads me to the man within the cabin. Christian. His island and Losties connections make him a good choice. The thing is, it just doesnt seem to fit. Although I do imagine Jack meeting a younger Christian on the island and upon hearing the name, give a look as if he is going to burst into tears while doing the “Jack”, look away and squint, hold it all iin look.
Who does that leave, ah yes, the man whos destiny it is to be leader, to save the island. A man that has been chosen since before his birth to play this role. A man that as a child, no matter how many say that people who travel back in time dont remember their future life when they are younger, drew a picture of the smoke monster and hung it on his wall!!
A man, that has just been resurected, and possibly arrived just in time to lead the others to this revolt…John Locke. I think that unless young Widmore ends up being a too obvious choice as this leader, the role may fall into Johns lap. Maybe Widmore appoints him leader in some way before tricked off the island by Benjamin. I think very soon, we shall find out one of the people we know is the true leader of the others, and it will not be Ben. Ben may in some twisted way be trying to prevent a worse tragedy by allowing this to occure. It will be interesting to watch this all play out. Cant wait for another big twist in the plot.
Can anyone else find reasons to agree or disagree on Locke being the leader who causes the slaughter of the DI? Or do you think Widmore? Any ideas please to figure who was in charge at the time?
I will have to agree to disagree, we will be seeing Widmore very soon…
AES, First of all this should have been posted in the theories section! For shame!
I commented in cappayne’s post yesterday, how the timing of Widmore’s supposed reign of leadership simply doesn’t add up right!
Widmore could NOT have still been around in 1992 for ‘the purge’, if you consider it took him 20 years to re-locate ‘the island’, via Keamy and company. Basic math should tell us all that!
So, Widmore did NOT order ‘the purge’, and if Ben didn’t, then who did? I suppose, Jacob could have ordered it, but that makes little sense, as he would have had to work through Ben, in order to do that.
As much as we know Ben is a liar, I can’t help but feel there is going to be a major change coming with the re-emergence of John Locke.
The one thing we know about Ben is, that even when it comes to death and dying on mass proportions, something motivates Ben to act in accordance with whatever and whomever deity he believes in. Who are we to judge what motivates him.
The one thing we all agree upon, is that John Locke has ALWAYS held the best interest of ‘the island’ at heart! Why would that change.
In some respects, John Locke and Ben Linus are similar creatures.
It’s a long way off to the date of ‘the purge’, and we know John Locke will be coming along shortly.
And, if I am right about John Locke, he will be no different than Ben, if he believes that Dharma is BAD for ‘the island’.
John could very well be the person who orders ‘the purge’!
Lastly, we may see young Widmore, but I can guarantee you, we will NEVER see an older Charles Widmore leading ‘the others’ on ‘the island’.
Top notch, as usual!
Thanks Dabsi. Didnt post in theories because I have no evidence that it WAS in fact John Locke that made the order. I just am pretty sure it wasnt Ben. I know he lies alot, but his defensive instincts, and great acting by Michael Emerson seems to show a true distinction in his lies and truths. He has a spot of red left on his blackened heart, you saw that off island when he defended Jack and company, saying theyve all been through a lot.
I still think my theory of some silent organization is in place to protect the island, ala Templar or Illuminati, although I dont believe it is exactly one of them specifically.
It all will come down to the greater good. What if John is told it will save evryone and everything else on the island. What if its everything on the earth at stake on a larger scale.
Chang says in the comic-con video that they have to reinstate the DI. Guess what, it already is reinstated. Widmores boat had DI written all over it. In fact, secondary protocol was in a DI folder/notebook. Could this be the scond wave of DI coming for the island? Widmore I assume owns the DI, Oceanic, and alot more. Could the DI have gotten what they deserved and the Losties, specifically Sawyer be at fault in some way?
I post this in questions, because I cannot stop aking them.
I truly wonder if Ben is a good guy, and you just cant tell yet. I know he lies, but for what purpose, what is his mission?
A.E.S. wow IMO you always jump start insightful conversation with out breaking up your paragraphs for us elderly. ha ha lol!
Any who Locke is my number one Character and I think peeps are missing a nugget right here.
I am looking forward to dissecting this post.And the following conversation by us all.
Oh and Dabs I read your post of course and jeez your always on too something aren’t ya
AES, I personally don’t feel you need evidence to support this, for it to be placed in theories. Having said that, I know we are similar creatures, who both like to substantiate our claims.
I am so glad you posted this, because I have some thoughts on this issue. Lately we have been discussing there are three sides to these happenings.
Ms. Hawking does not appear to be with either Ben or Widmore, but takes refuge in a church. She appears to represent one side. Which side, we don’t know. But, neither Ben nor Widmore knew where to find her, to get back to ‘the island’. So, it doesn’t appear they are with her on her side.
Hawking may represent, that ‘secret society’. Then, there is Jacob, who appears to have Christian Sheppard guiding things along. Namely, the ‘losties’.
Ben & Alpert appear to be in cahoots on yet another side. Even though Ben has a secret, and personal agenda of his own, he is also assisting the ’06’ in their return. But, it would appear, both Ben & Alpert are no longer in Jacob’s favour!
As you have stated, Widmore has his own agenda. He could very well represent the Dharma Initiative’s desire to re-claim ‘the island’.
Now, here is where it gets really interesting for me. I had this thought well over a year ago, but no solid proof of anything. It has to do with the surviving members. You need to count them. Sawyer, Juliette, Miles, Jin, Sun, Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Dan. That makes 10! We don’t know where Rose & Bernard are, or if they are dead or alive. So, let’s leave them out.
Now, add Locke & Desmond. That makes 12!
I suspect that the group of 12 will break into 2 factions of 6, at some point. Jacob supposedly had 6 names on his list! Which 6 names we don’t know.
I suspect Sawyer is happy where he is at, and I can see there will be a major rift between the surviving members. I see this as the cause of what is to come.
Dharma was wiped out. Were they supposed to be, I don’t know. Something, did not go the way, Jacob and ‘the island’ wanted it to go. That is a given. A mistake was made!
Whether the ‘losties’ know it or not, they themselves and their choices are going to play a huge part in the events to come.
This time around, I believe divine intervention is present, attempting to bring about a different outcome. For what reasons, I don’t know.
Sorry for rattling on. lol
Sorry OT, I was so busy typing, I just saw your comment now. lol
I have some pretty far out ideas when it comes to Lost, to say the least! lol
You keep on typing Dabs. And I got some reading to do as, My schedule recently has not allowed me to visit as I would like.
And your ideas are way beyond far out.
I’m pretty sure A.E.S. That you and I see Locke and Ben in the same exact lite. So we will see..
‘Beyond far out’ is a great thing Dabs
Dabs, not that it means anything, even if it happens this way, but 12 people, Jacobs 12 tribes of isreal, huh, huh, aww, I dont know, just throwing it out there, lol
Im a little stuck for ideas right now. So Im kind of digging up old questions that bothered me. They seem to somehow correlate with the happenings this season.
Cant figure out the whole Harper thing though…
hello
Well… hello
Gotchya and I KNEW you were watchin
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Hey when do you think we will figure this all out( And by us I mean You and Dabs)?
And on this little note Boss. I is out. till Tomorrow.
The last 30 seconds of the final episode hopefully ;]
AES, on an interesting note, the hotel Locke stayed at in LA was called the Westerfield Hotel. A couple of the letters were burnt out. The anagram for that is Twelfth Soldier.
Now, I will ‘whet’ your whistle with this little tidbit.
Aside of the twelve survivors, let’s make a new list of six. Ben, Alpert, Widmore, Hawking, Christian and Claire.
That is three groups of six, divided up any way you like it, stands for…666!
Looks like the armies are forming!
Highbrow where is ya when we may be in need of a little Clarity! So I say sir.
your watchin
I have a huge theory on Joseph from the Bible. Coming soon. ok I am really out now. Dabs drew me back in.