Ben Being Shot Proof Of Time Loop.
I’m a big believer in Time Loop, I know most are not but if we are going along with the story of “Lost” an Ben does in fact get shot by Sayid, Then would’nt this mean like Miles was telling Hurley “Your crazy buddy sayid shot Ben, An thats what has always happened” something along those lines but if that true then in order for Ben to live up to what he becomes years later He would indeed need to be shot by Sayid.
He is one or has somewhat control over Smokey, B4 they even travel in time so this is kind of showing us Ben has been saved by the Smokey B4 (when sayid shoots him we just never saw it yet)
Some say if it was looped then Ben would remember but when Widmore asks Ben If he remembers he really doesnt too much or is lying. which seems like Bens character but they can easily just be doing this over & over again or maybe just once IDK we need more INFO week to week.
Go ahead Highbrow i know you hate it man but just ask yourself why not? An i really hope its not cause thats the ending of the video game & thats lame.
You made no case for a time loop. When does the loop begin and when does it end, if this is happening? Because we know 2007 exists. So for there to be a ‘real’ time loop, that means it loops back after 2007. And when does it loop to. Too many of you don’t even know the definition of a time loop. Please if you are going to say there is a time loop, then give the years that are in the loop.
I might be missing the EXACT dates cause maybe i havent seen them yet & need more info.
Doesnt mean the whole idea is blown out of the water cause you dont see dates of when.
An explain to me how its possible for that TO HAVE ALWAYS HAPPENED (Sayid & only Sayid pulling the trigger) there is no way unless they go back to the 70’s in 2007???
Like i said i dont have all the info but its a start, If its not called a loop then explain to me what to call it??
P.S.
I do take criticism well its just a TV show theory but this Jack looking Wannabe just rubbed me the wrong way…prove how sayid shot Ben back then or something i didnt ever mention dates once really.
I dont think this is how it works….necessarily…
And btw…Lost#s, the years in my loop would be from 1952 to 2004, if that is a good enough understanding of how my idea would work, if you havent read any of my thoughts before (which I think you have), or without writing a thirty page report….
bottom line to me, a loop that the each individual lostie’s past self will experience over and over between the time John turned the wheel in 1952, to when Ben turned it in 2004.
The Losties would NOT experience anything over again, unless they went back in time either conciencly, or physically, and in either case, still wouldnt be a loop for anyone other than the specific person that returned…and even that is a stretch…
Thats all I will say on this subject again for now, any questions can be answered in almost any one of my (or Dabs)theories up to “Whats done is Done”…
I see what you are saying Bing, but this is as big as argument as the possibility of ‘change’, and after MANY debates, I am officially done with the subject, and would be suprised to see highbrow address it other than a short rebuttal and saying he is done with it as well…
OHH ok but what you are saying, B4 they travel to the 70’s history is written so to speak right??
Ben’s mom dies then he grows up on Island gets a doll Etc Etc
But now where im Lost is when they go back to the 70’s is the “Book” that time is written in just thrown out & start another letting ‘Whatever happens, Happens’? or is it like Miles said & he makes it sound like everything thats done has been done & always will be done??
I’m sure you been through this & Am VERY VERY upset i missed discussing it with the GIANTS on the this site.
Give me a few minutes, Ill see if I can dig up one of the better explanations/discussions, and post it for you to see what came up.
You seem to understand that it was already beaten to death here…
lol, the funny thing is, that and the change ideas are still very hot topics elsewhere, I think both sides here covered every angle possible, and has been left up to the show at this point…
yeah, give me a few, and Ill dig up a good older theory with lots of chatter…
http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/building-a-bridge-between-pro-and-anti-loopers/
…this is a good one I wrote trying to help make more people believe, the comments give a few other understandings of other peoples interpretations of the ‘loop theory’…
unfortunatly, highbrow either wasnt here yet, or slept through that one, and he is not there for the ‘anti’ argument…which he does very well by the way…he can be convincing on this subject…
I know Dabsi has a good one too, just cant find it…
alright thanks…you & highbrow could be our Jack Sheppard leading us into light man on these shady subjects..Highbrow & you are always filling in my memory with stuff i easily forget thanks for trying to help sincerely thanks your alot of help.
Dude, you named your theory ‘Ben Being Shot Proof Of Time Loop’. If you hadn’t used such strong langauge, and then not deliver any proof, then I wouldn’t haven’t commented the way I did.
A.E.S., I went back to one of your theories and read your definition of timeloop. Basically it sounds like time traveling into the past. Under your definition, then we have already seen a ‘timeloop’. We just disagree on the definition. If time traveling into the past is a timeloop, then we already know one exists.
Ya i didnt name it proof of time theory based on dates its based on sayid shooting ben so disprove that an you i will understand dont just say there is no proof when you provide non either..
Its alot easier to say no its not then to diprove something…im talking about this one incident when your proof is based on things like peep’s memory & so on (probably,not sure cause u didnt say much just no)
An you dont even answer me, what should i call this theory then huh??
Bing, if you were using A.E.S. definition of timeloop, then I apologize. Becuase then its OBVIOUS there is a timeloop. I still think there has been no proof of a REAL timeloop. That isn’t to say we won’t get one. This is Lost.
Bing, you can also refer to my theory entitled, Yep, they’re in a Time Loop.
It is based on a temporal time-loop which is what I believe they are in. Hope that is helpful.
lost4815162342, at the time AES and I wrote these theories, it was not widely accepted. They were written at the beginning of the season, when ‘the island’ started flashing.
Sayid time travelled to 1977 and shot Ben. Either that event always happened or Sayid changed the past. Either way, it doesn’t mean we have a time loop. Oh yeah, it’ll be okay dude.
PS: I’ll ‘stir the pot’ with this comment. I believe they are in a time loop, and I do not believe in Whatever Happened, happened!
Keep rocking it out, bada Bing! Good thoughts!
Dabs, I don’t believe that what has occured on Lost this year, is a time loop. It is simple time travel. I’m not sure what you are referring to as a Temporal time loop.
Well, Dabs, give me the timeframe of the loop.
Yeah Lost#s, the timeloop would only be a timeloop to anyone aware…we are on the same page with this…and the only ones that could be aware that we know of right now, would be Ben, if he were to go back, and even then, it would be simply timetravel unless he concience travelled.
The only proof I guess, would be that we know in 1974, that 30 years later the plane is going to crash, and the island is going to go back in time and repeat the process.
I guess it is only a loop if looked at from our perspective….
Unless persay someone like Jacob lives outside the rules of time, and when the wheel turns he jumps, not how the losties do, but the island itself…except if he is a being of understanding, he would be able to see that over and over, the island is looping during these wheel spins…
Maybe a loop of a specific time period, instead of a timeloop to a specific individual, if that makes any sense…?
lost4815162342, I now avoid the discussion of time-loops, but feel free to look at my theory when you have a chance.
It is explained quite nicely and with references of the temporal time-loop from Wikipedia.
It is quite compelling. Just might make you a believer!
But, if it doesn’t work for you, that’s ‘no biggie’ either.
Lost#s, I would appreciate your insight on the conversation/comments I am presenting in my “…Made to be broken” theory…
I am talking crazy perhaps, and need someone with a perspective as yours to come in and shoot something down.
Wow…Mr popular tonight…
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Dabs, just read your theory. Maybe its just semantics, but to me a time loop is like what happened in Groundhog Day. It looped back to 6am february 2nd every time. The main character was conscience of the loop. That is not necessary for a time loop. Maybe no characters realize the loop. Or maybe like that ‘Star Trek NG’ episode, there are hints to the loop. Either way, there is a loop. Not just time travel.
A.E.S., I will take a look at your theory. Is it already up?
By the way, I’m not anti-loop. It’s just I haven’t seen any evidence of it. I don’t really take anything from all the ‘He looks like he’s done that before’ stuff. Heck, sometimes it looks like I’ve done something before, but I don’t think I”m in a time loop. lol
Yes, look in recent comments, Dabs Kim and I are there now.
“…Made to be Broken”…
I think you may have commented once about Jim, but Im elaborating/making things up, and are curious to your thoughts.
The only ime I think Im in a timeloop is when discussing timeloops…
whats it been, a year of the same conversation/debate, lol…
BTW Lost #s, I happen to like your picture…and Jack is my least favorite character…
Who knows, maybe that’s why.
BiNG – Please refrain from the insults. They’re not tolerated here. Thank you.
I’m going to describe how I look at it and hopefully it will clear things up for some people.
We, as viewers, can look at whatever date the show is showing us whenever we watch Lost. Lets say we’re looking at Sawyer and we’re looking at some date in 1975. What’s Sawyer doing on that date? Why, here he is… he’s on the island, approximately 35 years old, trying to get Juliet to go out with him and working his way up in the DHARMA Initiative.
Now lets look at Sawyer on some other date… how about November 2004… Oh, there he is! He’s on the island, approximately 34 years old, playing grab ass with Kate.
Now lets look back at the first date we looked at. Oh, he’s doing the exact same thing he was doing the last time we saw him there. Does that make it a loop? Is he doing the same thing over and over and over again? No, he did it once. We’re just looking at it again. What Sawyer did is simply time travel into the past.
Now, if any or all of the Losties were to get to a point in time that they could not get past and every time they got to that point they were thrown back in time, doomed to live out all their actions again and again, that would be a time loop. Simple time travel into the past sure does resemble a loop but that’s just misleading.
hahaha,
ok admin, I’ll be nice from now on…I didnt know i cant express exactly how i feel.
As for the Loop, My bad Lost #’s if your referring to a Loop like Groundhog’s day.
I see what you mean that he wakes up same time on the same day everyday WITH full memory.
I feel that MAYBE they always travel back in time to the 70’s from whenever they first had to move the island & start flashing (Forgot exact date) but instead of just 1 day over & over what happens if the plane just keeps coming back?
If they cant be around to interact with themselves then wouldnt they just disappear like Charlotte? An have there younger selves just run in circles again??
haha BiNG who did you insult?