Not a major point…
I’ve been visiting the site for ages now, I nearly died when the site went down for so long and now I’m happy that it’s back, however I prefer to read the excellent theories that people write than adding my useless brain farts to the equation.
However this all changed after I read daddyx’s question in the questions section, which was “What other sites do members here also visit?” bobt posted this link http://www.angelocomets-lost-place.blogspot.com/ and I had a wee swatch. I went onto the theories page and read through some of the stuff, it wasn’t until I got to the part about the changing picture frames that I had my eureka moment.
Now for those of you out there who don’t have a clue what I’m talking about, I mean in Confirmed Dead (S04E02) where Miles goes to the house to exorcise the spirit of the drug dealer. As Miles goes up the stairs we see a clear shot of a picture frame, when he comes back down the picture is in a completely different frame ( http://images.quickblogcast.com/115350-107656/Gardners_Grandson_Before_and_After.jpg ).
Now on Angelo Comet’s blog, he suggests that this is down to a continuity error, however I feel I would have to respectfully disagree. Everyone knows that Lost fans are, how can I put this without offending… passionate about Lost and like to scrutinize every little detail. Do you really think that this type of error would have got past all of the people who watch and edit this multi million dollar show before it airs? I didn’t think so…
I think that knowing what we know now, we can maybe work out if the changing frames have a meaning. People have been going on a lot about WHH (or Whatever Happened Happened) and I was all for this idea, that was until our resident mental-case/physicist, your friend and mine, Daniel Faraday mentioned the variables! “Oh yeah the variables but what the hell does that have to do with some picture frames changing” I hear you cry, well let me explain.
What if WHH was wrong? What if them going back to 1977 had ramifications, ok not big ones, or maybe we just haven’t seen the big ones yet… Anyway, what I’m saying is that what if the picture frames changing wasn’t a continuity error and what if it was something that Miles (or someone else) did in 1977 that somehow altered this, perhaps this was to do with him interacting with Pierre Chang, who was his father, I dunno. I know this seems like a trivial thing but what if this goes deeper than what we think? A lot of people have been talking about Jacob going through time making lots of tiny changes to make a big impact on the future, what if the actions of the Losties are making tiny changes through their futures which are all going to snowball through time and have a massive impact on season 6?
I’m not saying that this is definitive proof, not by a long way, this could as Angelo Comet says just be a continuity error and in that case I’m going to look really stupid! We’re never going to know until season 6 starts anyway but I’d love to be right!
If anyone has anything to add or if anyone wants to pick holes in what I’ve said please feel free, I’d love some feedback be it positive or negative.
Thanks to daddyx, bobt and Angelo Comets for helping me come up with this.
i have thought about this point. it is possible that it is proof that WHH is wrong, but since I am a believer in WHH, perhaps only minor minor minor changes can occur due to course correction. It goes back to Eloise. The person with the red shoes will die no matter what. Similarly pictures will be slightly different on the wall, but that didn’t change the fact that the mother was the same, and her child the drug dealer still died.
If anything can change, it is only superficial things that won’t affect anything important, IMO.
Some people have suggested that we have been watching two timelines longer than we think.
My two cents…I am also one of those people that thinks at least two timelines have been going on longer than we think.
Again, I hate to be the one to keeping dwelling on this… hair Jack/nair Jack… Non-hairy Jack occured as soon as he left the Island – Season 4…
my question would be, why only the picture frames are diffrent, if changes happened in his or his mothers life sureley there would be diffrences to the actual pictures than to the frames, on a side note, the frame goes from dark-wood to light-wood, may foreshadow jacob finnaly winning?
i definitely think that frame change wasn’t a continuity error, as the camera focuses on the pictures both times.
I reckon this won’t be explained directly, but is one of many easter eggs put in the show to suggest there are some wierd time/space anomalies occuring.
Weren’t the pictures of African children? if so, could the changing picture indicate a change in Eko’s situation rather than the family Miles visited (if they had the picture from like a World Vision sponsorship or charity work over there)
What the hell kind of continuity error would that be anyway? Some producer or set designer just decides to, all the sudden, switch a frame out because they don’t like it or something? They obviously didn’t spend too much time shooting an extremely quick scene in this house. Therefore, it was a good catch (whoever caught that back in season 4)
In other words, I agree with this post. For this to “foreshadow” Jacob’s victory is straight up silly in my eyes, however, what IS the meaning of this I wonder?
If something like the picture frame changing was a legitimate clue, I wonder how the fans are going to be made aware of all these subtle clues that happened over the last 5 seasons. I would hate to have missed any. Even when we learn the mysteries, it still is cool for LOST fans to have been made aware of all the trouble the writers went through to insert these clues throughout all the seasons. That is why I wish there was a post finale show that would point all this out. Reality TV has those “reunion” shows where the “characters” assemble to reflect back on the season and episode clips are played. Even if the actors were not assembled, doing this with the LOST producers/writers would be cool. Anyone think this is a good idea?
id like to see the season 6 post finale show, i think they usually have a pre-finale show, but a post one would be better this season to go over everything, maybe a few hours long just to cover everything.
Yeah, I’m gonna want some damn closure when this show is done. I know they’re still leaving a few questions unanswered, that’s fine. But I want to hear the writers talk a little and give specifics as to what certain things meant.
I want to press on with life after the finale. Not rack my brain trying to come up with answers that don’t matter anymore
ekolocation – I totally see where you’re coming from, there’s no real evidence to back up what I’m saying but what if these small changes are just evidence of small things that people have done in the past, what if they hadn’t done anything big enough to warrant a massive change, something like blowing up a hydrogen bomb perhaps?
Roland and AmILost – I’m not a big fan of the whole alternate reality idea, I really hope that they don’t go in that direction, however I don’t think that Flocke is Smokey or MIB either, I think it’s Locke himself but from a different time. We don’t actually know what happened to Locke when he turned the FDW, we saw him appear in Tunisia but we don’t know if he stayed on the island as well, anything’s possible. I know Ben turned the wheel too and there’s not two of him but then again, Ben wasn’t meant to turn the wheel.
Zander_N – I don’t think the colour of the frames represents Jacob finally winning, sorry.
shephards_flocke – I’m glad you’re on my side with the whole continuity error thing, I was starting to think that I was alone! I don’t think it will be answered directly either but I think that the answers we are given in the show will let us answer it ourselves.
Tas – I like your thinking about the African kid, when I first watched it I thought it was Eko but I compared pictures of the kid in the photo and young Eko and they’re different kids. Maybe this means that they are not directly connected to their own futures and they rely on the actions of others (not THE Others), maybe this is why every person seems to have a link to another person, or other people on the island?
Chiefof16 – Thanks for agreeing with the post, I agree with you, this foreshadowing the victory of jacob is whack!
No way was that a continuity error. Just think of how impractical that sounds! Did the original frame break after filming the first shot but before the second shot, and break so badly that they couldn’t possibly fashion it back together to look alright? Were there other frames laying around the set with the same picture in them? And if so, how/why did the original frame get removed from the wall and the other one placed back up? It just seems entirely too impractical for it to be accidental.
That’s exactly what I’m saying Inquisitor. So what’s the point? To mess with us? There’s onviously no symbolism to it. I’m damn aggravated