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Sun and Ben couldn’t get in the island because…

April 7, 2009 by Lawtrix

Hi everyone i was just thinking that Ben and Sun couldn’t get in the island as Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley because they are in there just in another time. I read one of the theories in here and i saw that someone said that maybe the baby of Doctor Marvin Candle is Sun, and that would explain why she couldn’t get in there, the same happens to Ben, because there can’t be two Bens in the same time… What do you think?

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  2. hi lawtrix,
    might have been me who mentioned that. it may have something to do with ben not flashing, but i think that’s probably not the case for sun anymore as someone pointed out that dr. chang’s baby is a boy.

  3. Yeah, the Chang kid is probably Miles, not Sun. If that is the case then it kind of works against the theory that they didn’t flash because they are already on the island in that time, only younger. That plus we’ve already seen that it is possible to flash to a time where you already exist on the island… Sawyer and Locke both confirmed that at least one of the times they flashed to while they were flashing all over the place was a time when they were on the island.

  4. exactly what highbrow said. again. If you really think about whether people can land in a time in the past where they already exsist, you’ll remember that we’ve already seen it happen. It’s obviously not an issue, in my eyes.

  8. AES, I’m seeing a lot of confidence in your idea but not a lot of confidence in yourself. Dude, we all believe in you!

    I have a feeling if the issue were that the kids weren’t on the flight then nobody would have flashed. I think that whatever force needed them to come back to the island has work for Sun to do where she is.

  10. Yeah, Jin would be a possibility… but they would have to get creative to explain how his father (the guy in Pohang or wherever Jin is from) came to believe that Jin might be his… I’m assuming the prostitute came to him when she was still pregnant and said it was his….

  11. i have pleny of confidence in myself…i was merely answering the question, based on what i think…exscuse the caps…my lock was on and i didnt realize until now…

  14. AES i think Highbrow was just being facetious 🙂

    I too think it has something to do with Sun having more work to do. Maybe Jin will do something big that wouldn’t have happened if Sun was there, aka the island needed her to be where she is.

  15. Well we haven’t seen yet two sawyers in the same place, Sawyer saw Kate and Claire but i don’t remember him being in that episode when my dear Boone was dying… Or did he appeared? And it never says that the baby is a he or she they only said baby or did i missed something?

  16. just an add on to the possibility of chang being jins biological father…..even though he wasnt sure about being jins father, the fisherman, regardless, raised jin knowing no one else would. by the way, jin was born in 1974.

  17. Yes but we’re talking about being in the same TIME not place. And we’ve seen them arrive in the same time that we know they are in.

    Change does say “him” at one point, regarding the baby. I agree with you that it could be Jin though. Or Miles.

  21. Well obviously because they have something to “do” in the future. Why did the other O6 go to 1977 and not some other time? Also, at least Ben and John are not from the O6, but people who left by the Wheel, so they might have a different energy “signature” which would effect when they landed. Why Sun, I have no idea.

  22. Bailey, I’m offended that you would think that I was being facetious. When have I ever been less than serious? When have I made light of a situation or discussion? When have I…. sorry… I can’t keep this up with a straight face. Yeah, I was kidding…

  23. So since Sun is obviously not Candle’s child, what is the reason she is not in the same time period as everyone else? We know why Ben isn’t (or so y’all say), but what’s the dealio with Sun?

  24. And in response to AES — why can everyone else return, and Sun can’t? I don’t think it has to do with the same people not being back on the plane…

  26. I only say that because of the comment about how present Ben can’t be in the 70s with younger Ben, because they’re the same person. It makes sense, I think. But the Sun issue is really bothering me! Heh

  27. Well, it’s easily questioned. We know that Sawyer, Locke and Juliet have been on the island twice at the same time… there was no problem with that. It doesn’t fit for Sun… I’d say that the odds are soundly against that being the reason Ben didn’t flash to the ’70s…

  28. I dont think its just Sun, I think it has to do with everyone that didnt flash…Honest to god, I dont have the scientific answer, or a faith answer, just that Mrs.Hawking, Christian, and possibly Jacob, if in fact Christian was “speaking on his behalf”, made it very clear that they ALL have to return.
    By all, I dont think she meant just the O6, I think she meant everyone who was a part of flight 815…
    Even that idiot Faraday said that he doesnt understand why it means anything that the Losties have to return to get them to where the are supposed to be, and by that, I mean together…in the correct timeperiod, or possibly just together.
    Because they all have to return, and not all of them did, I think that is why some flashed, and some didnt.
    Plus, the people who returned, have all already played some role in past…Sun had no reason to be there at this point.
    She may be part of the history of something else.
    I am now a full believer that the statue is going to be of Sun, for several reaasons. I dont know why specifically that they didnt flash with everyone, just that they have other things to do first…and the fact that the didnt follow the instructions that everyone must go back to the island, for whatever the reason ends up being.

    Its hard to explain the ‘why’ part of the ‘why’ answer…because I really dont think we are supposed to have a clue yet, other than what the forementioned people said regarding everyone returning….thats about all i have on that…as I said earlier as well, sorry for the caps in my first comment, I wasnt ‘yelling’…stupid computer and burnt out ‘caps’ light…

  33. I agree with A.E.S……Sun pops/flashes into ancient times, seeming to just appear to the natives. She is trying to communicate with the natives. She points at herself and says “Sun”. They don’t understand her. She points at the star in the sky (sun) and says it again….”Sun” and points at herself. Ancients freak out and start bowing. Light flashes and she disappears. “A Star is Born”, let’s build a statue.

    Sorry, A Star is Born is a bad joke. My mind is screwed up. Feel free to say it. Everyone does.

  34. Okay so that was you then. I wasn’t sure — I printed out that huge post of all the theories and read it in class today. Lame, I know. But it all looked so rich and profound! But yeah, that’s what I read.

  38. I was just thinking about the time-traveling and it came to my head that in fact you cannot be two times in the same space time, meaning that there can’t be two you because if that could happen, then in every loop of time there would be a new you. So maybe what i just said isn’t that false isn’t it? I am not sure about Sun but, what importance does it has in the story to show that Dr. Chang is getting awake because of this baby, or could it be that girl Jack just met and tattooed him? …

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