Science not faith….
I am convinced at this point in the show. That there is no real supernatural elements at work here. Everything in the end will be explained by Fringe type science. Here is the logic behind this.
Imagine that the islands origins are not that of the past, but the future. So we have science that has surpassed what we currently know.
The trick of the show is making us believe the island is ancient and steeped in this supernatural/mystic sort of idea. My problem with this is that a Smokie originating in the past can mean only a couple things. It is either a supernatural/thought sorta of being as many have discussed on here. Or it’s something that came from space and landed on the island. I don’t buy either one.
I believe ol Smokie comes from the future. Is made of nano tech or something along those lines. Hence the sonic fence that repels it. It’s called a security system by some. We know that it judges people and seems to carry out punishment as it sees fit. Seems most logical to assume it is an AI/technology driven machine. The sounds it makes also lend it more to being mechanical. They use random sounds to throw us off. The random sounds as a whole though, give the impression of something mechanical.
Ok. So on with the next point. The other big supernatural aspect of the show is the dead re-animated. This too could be explained by science. The exotic material that has been referenced I’m guessing is related to the physical makeup of the island. As in the rocks and earth of the island are connected of this exotic material. There is an original source (next to the donkey wheel). But the island is steeped in it. Possibly due to a volcanic erruption that spread the materail around the whole island. So our ghosties walking around may simply be imprints of the people that have existed on the island. They are transfered into the rock and are playing back as walking/talking people. When in fact, they are somethign else. It’s thought that ghosts and energies of the dead can be stuck in quartz and various rocks. Then playback their lives over and over. Like a record. Sounds familiar? Obviously they have a unique spin on it. Like maybe they are being ressurected through the power of this material. Not supernatural though.
I place my bets that the material is a meteor. That brought with it something giving the island all these special properties. No one talks too much about Hurley’s ep “Tricia Tanaka is dead”. A meteor hits his store and obliterates it!! Possibly still the strangest event in the history of the show. Quite possibly a hint as well.
Everything else on the show is pretty obviously science based. Time Travel and all that.
Logically at this point in the show my best guess is this.
The island has been to the future and brought back elements from that future to the past. People of the past worship these things as gods. The exotic material is a meteor that bestowed the islands electromagnetic and time shifting powers. The exotic material is also what records peoples energies and can allow them to manifest again. Smokie is a machine created in the future and sent back with the island to judge/record and put into place the people that will drive the show to it’s end game.
What is that end game?
To stop a cataclysmic event in the future. Something that the island is part of. Dharma and all the people fighting over this power are trying to, in their own ways control this power. To avert this end, or allow it.
Beautiful theory. I totally agree supports what I have been thinking about someone, I think ra from the future. Why if all this time travel is going on have we never been past 2007?
Then again, this show isn’t solely about ‘logic.’ The writers can make the show whatever they want it to be, regardless of what science says. I guess we’ll have to wait until 2010.
I disagree. I think it’s going to be a mix of both science and faith. I think part of the show is to demonstrate that science and faith aren’t really all that different. They have the same goals. People explore the world through science or through faith but both are just trying to understand things.
As for exotic matter I think you’re giving it a little too much credit. They don’t call it exotic matter on the show to imply that it’s some kind of matter that we have no idea about. They didn’t make up the term exotic matter.
From Wikipedia: Exotic matter is a hypothetical concept of particle physics. It covers any material which violates one or more classical conditions or is not made of known baryonic particles. Such materials would possess qualities like negative mass or being repelled rather than attracted by gravity. It is used in certain speculative theories, such as on the construction of wormholes. The closest known real representative of exotic matter is a region of pseudo-negative pressure density produced by the Casimir effect.
So the exotic matter probably has everything to do with time travel and nothing to do with the walking dead.
I really hope of doesn’t go all indiana jones in the end. Part of me is scared that aliens are gonna turn up. Please no!!!!!
It’s not going to be aliens! To cliche.
I think they have hinted enough allready at fringe type science on the show. It’s going to be a metoer. By meteor I mean any type of matter/anti matter/mirror matter/dark matter. Could be anything. More than likely something science is only theorizing about at this point in time.
I would be very happy to have that be the explanation. Rather than some religious/faith based concept.
Would a religious/faith based concept be any less credible or believable?
By the way, your user name is freakin’ sweet.
That is a matter of personal opinion.
So in my personal opinion.. yes it would be far less credible/believable.
I am a man of science. I do not think faith is logical.
Lostitute, this would defy the very essence of what the writers have always said about the show. Which is, the show is a mixture of science, pseudo-science, religious and paranormal aspects.
I totally disagree that Lost is ALL about science! Because that is not what I have seen. If this were true, it would totally defeat the characters, their plights, struggles, issues to overcome, and finding redemption. The very fact that John Locke has been resurrected defies that premise.
It would also negate the purpose of The Temple and why this is such a strong belief system for ‘the others’.
If it is a meteor, why couldn’t this meteor be from the past and not the future? That would make more sense, as it would allow for many more mysteries and aspects to be answered and explained.
If, these occurrences happened in the past, and ‘the island’ always was in existence, it then allows for the Ancients, The Black Rock, and the entire story to progress.
If what you claim is true, that means all of the references to light vs dark, white vs black are meaningless, and I simply don’t believe that to be true.
Lastly, the writers have stated that the smoke monster and what it is, has only been guessed correctly by ONE person. This tells me, that any type of mechanical mechanism is likely not the case, eg: nanbots, etc.
I would hate Lost, if it were all about sci-fi, and so would many other people.
For the reasons I have stated, this is not a very plausible idea to me. But, maybe that’s just me!
I just read your comment after I posted mine. You are not a believer in faith, which answers things completely.
I guess only time will tell with the revealed truth. I don’t care what the end result is, I just don’t want it to be lame!
Faith is very open to interpretation. Faith undoubtedly plays a part in the series however I believe that religion, although prominant in the show will not influence the end gambit in my opinion. I can however see the last scene being a typical cliffhanger giving the impression of some religious presence
I did not specify when the meteor/material could have crashed. I think the future is more likely as well.
The characters all can go through their individual plights based on faith/redemption and what not. That does not mean the explanation of the mystery will be faith based.
Locke being ressurected could be science. It’s not out of the question.
Again though. This is all personal opinion.
And I agree with Dab…they wouldn’t have even gestured toward faith if it wasn’t a part of the story. Not to mention all the faith/religious references, Jacob being a big one…
I hope we get some answers tonight!!!
Ben and Smokie and the Temple ohh my!
I’m so exicted.
When you say you are a man of science and you don’t believe that faith is logical you’re talking about yourself in general and not just describing the way you think about the show, correct? Are you sure you mean that faith is illogical and you don’t believe in it or you don’t believe in religion? They’re different things. You seem to have faith in what science tells you.
Regardless though of what people believe the show will be solved with a mix of science and faith. Not science and religion, science and faith.
Ben is the only reason I watch the show — best character by far. So complex it’s utterly ridiculous!!
But faith could simply be belief in doing a particular thing or trust in someone. I would regard this as the most plausible demonstration of faith because I believe organized religon to be founded on this sort of principle. No gods or powers need be involved.
I have faith in very little actually.
I believe in logic and what my eyes see.
So far on the show. My eyes see no reason to believe religious faith has anything to do with the overall story.
Individual faith, personal and internal stuggles with faith vs science are abviously there.
I’m just saying in the end. I do not think anything will be based on religious faith. Leaps of faith maybe. No gods, or deities.
The religious hints are red herrings. The only gods in my opinion would be people/beings from the future that appear to be gods to less advanced civilizations that find the island in the past.
We mostly agree then. The religious references are just there for the people who like that sort of thing to find and analyze. Religious faith will have nothing to do with it. By that I mean I believe that religion will not actually enter into the show.
I see what y’all are saying, and I do think the end won’t include religious references, so as not to isolate or marginalize people who don’t believe in God or gods, or what have you. After all, television is about keeping everyone happy.
I agree. Faith but no religon or gods or false idols or aliens or Simon cowell
Lostitute, I get what you are talking about in your comments. I will say that in terms of agreeing/disagreeing with your theory…I tend to disagree…but in a respectful way.
Now, if you don’t mind me having a little good natured fun…I think it is quite ironic that you talk about being a man of science, yet your “About Lostitute” says you are “another soul sucked into Lost.” Can I tease you a little for that…for referencing your soul, which sounds very non-scientific???
I appreciate your posts and comments, so just know that I’m not picking on you! We’ve had more than enough of that craziness around here already!
Just like I said about Dabs post about the eye and Egyptians, etc. I don’t know much about that stuff, but appreciate when people bring expanded ideas about things that are obviously employed by the writers as ‘ingredients’ into the show. Always worth considering…
Haha! Kimberly it’s quite allright.
Poke away. Maybe a soul is a measurable amount of energy. A cummulation of ones experiences.
just not yet recordable by science…. 🙂
Hmmmm
Ok, I must say, a very well written theory…covers all angles, and I like the fact that you base this on your belief system…I think that is kind of the point of the show.
Not necessarily to figure out what happens, but to figure out what you think will happen, based on what you truly believe in.
I commend you for your thoughts, very nicely done, especially here, where as of late, faith has played an important role on many theories…and I am one of those theorists….
Im not going to lie, I actually agree with the better part of your post, and given the writers history of sci-fi-ish storytelling…it makes sense.
But…to me, I see more than that in Lost.
I have to view it like this…
They start out…burning religious aspects into our brains…names, feelings, very biblical in feel. Add to that, the simple word Dharma, and all that it stands for in religion, it makes a very clear statement that it means faith….BUT…observe Dharma on the show…a bunch of hippie scientists with no other objective than using/utilizing the science aspect of the island, for all capabilities…
The word ‘dharma’ is used ironically, almost opposite of what it is thought of in the real world.
Ive written that science and faith, which I worded as religion, and highbrow makes a good point that these are two very different things, coexist, and rlate to each other on the show.
I am a huge fan, that the others are in some way responsible for ‘hiding’ something from the world, possibly regarding that religion is setup and fed to people by science.
A sort of illuminati or templar, that allows the world to view religion and faith as…well, religious. It comes down I think, to what you believe in, a soul…or a concience.
I for one, am not a fan of “religion” in a sense of organization. I am a strong believer that organized religion is one of the biggest problems in the history of the world. I dont know if that has anything to do with the Lost storyline, but congratulations…something very important that makes me who I am.
That is not to say that I disgree with religion. Many religions have the same basic concept…good-vs-bad (or evil).
I think that what is hidden in Lost, is that many religions of the world, at some point in early human history…stem from the same thoughts. Many religions are intertwined to make Lost viewable to everyone, and science is a part because there are many, who dont believe in anything.
I do not see myself as a religious person, but a person of faith. I mention in a recent post, that Sun may be the statue that we saw, because of egyptian culture, among many others worshipped the sun in the sky…
….yeah, Im in my mini novel mode, bear with me.
With that, I think many of the religious aspects from human history, may be give an answer in Lost. It may be percieved as an actual cover up for a possiblility, that true religion…not the thought, but the actual religion that is believed my many, may have human/scientific answers…
…this is a big step for me here, I just want you to know that.
BUT…I think in the end, there will be a phenomenon, that takes place, that will hold absolutly NO scientific explanation. This, will be the breaking point, where everyone must step back and say “Maybe there is something more to it…”.
That is not to say in any way, that you are wrong in your thoughts, except I think at the end, there will be that wildcard.
Seriously, I believe this is a great theory, and I think that it is something that we are supposed to buy into. But the fact that faith, not religion plays a huge part, I find it hard to believe that something major will occur, that we will be able to examine and say…”This is how this would happen in real life.”
NOw, I dont use Johns resurection as an example, because the thought that time travel playing a role in it, has already been thrown into the pot…But I do have to admit. I am a believer in the soul, not just the concience. I view the concience to be a manifestation of the soul that our human/physical form can use for communication…if that makes sense.
Science can try and answer many things, but an emotional battle of ones self, to me, is past the realm of science, and this is something we see almost every member have at one point on the show. Granted, there are many theories in real science explaining the human concienceness, but it is something that like religion, seems to always have something that is unexplainable, making it very hard to prove anything in either way.
Well, I talk way too much sometimes, and and would like you to tell me if any of this makes any kind of sense…
Again, nice job, and stand by what you believe…great theory again.
The only “resurrected” person we really have is John Locke. Ben was shot but did not die… he will be saved but we don’t know how yet, and we probably won’t ever know specifically. All of the apparitions, manifestations, visions etc could EASILY just be holograms or projected mental images… basically they are just computer programs modeled on characters in the victims’ memory. I have thought this since their first appearance, as I generally believed Locke to be insane in the beginning.
The meteor is interesting because it forms the core of ancient Egyptian mythology. Long before the “high” Egyptian culture, the early Egyptians worshipped something called a Benben stone. The Benben stone is a conical stone of possibily meteoric origin which was spat from the sky by the creator Ptah and was the first piece of earth to rise from the primordial waters and therefore the first land touched by the rising sun. It is the pattern after which the Egyptians designed not only their pyramids and obelisks, but their stellar oriented religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benben
http://www.robertbauval.co.uk/articles/articles/DE14.html
You will notice that the conical stone; “Benben”, the rising sun; “weben” and the Egyptian phoenix; “bennu” all contain the root “ben”…. as in Benjamin Linus. The Bennu represents the soul of Osiris and therefore is directly linked to reincarnation.
It is also important to note that meteorites are primarily IRON and iron is magnetic. No need for volcanic eruptions, the impact of the meteor would throw up materials around it and bits of itself into the air. I think your theory is even more sound that it appears on the surface.
As far as faith vs. science… it is well documented that every “miracle” known to religion can be scientifically explained, at least partially. It is also known that as we progress further into quantum mechanics, that science is taking on mystical tones. Science and religion are not the diametric opposites we are taught they are… they are simply competitors for the same ground and as such they are at war. I DO think that the Dharma hippies represent Science and the Hostiles/Others represent Faith and the Purge/War is symbolic of that struggle.
But I think it is a struggle for nothing…I feel their relationship is something that should be charished, and not fought over.
Also,
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I’m just wondering if we really ever HAVE witnessed resurrection or if that’s just the direction we are being lead to think in.
how so?