Farhaday…… Time loop or Alternate Time Line????
i have been visiting this site for about a month now and i enjoy reading everyones theories about the show. i have just recently registered on the site and have not yet posted anything, but i am about to leap into the discussion with a little theory of my own. feel free to slaughter my theory or point out some things i have missed or anything that is on your mind.
so here goes…. we know that Farhaday tells Charlotte that if she comes back to the island she will die, correct? so this being said, how else would Daniel know this unless he has lived this “circle of life” at least once already??? we have seen no signs of Charlotte as a child on the island… nor have we seen Farhaday on the island with Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, in 1977, that would suggest he would meet young Charlotte and tell her of her death( unless this happens in the next few episodes).
Hi Julietslover, I think you are making some good points about Daniel Faraday.
We have not learned what his motivation is with ‘the island’, aside of the fact that Widmore funds him.
I suspect something is up with Faraday, in the sense, that he is operating under a different set of rules, than the other ‘losties’ are.
When the ’06’ arrive in Dharmaville and ask about Faraday, Sawyer’s response is, that ‘he is gone’, not in the sense he is physically gone, but ‘gone’ mentally. I find it difficult to believe that he disappeared, and nobody would have noticed it, or questioned it, meaning Sawyer & Juliette.
When I saw Faraday emerge from the sub, I thought it quite possible that he somehow got an ‘in’, with Dharma, and left on the sub, to make his return as a scientist. I am suspecting he is doing this under cognito.
I don’t know what underlying motives he has, aside of Charlotte, but am sure he has a few more that we are unaware of.
I understand what you are saying about him, and Charlotte, and which came first. It is somewhat confusing. If I were to guess at Daniel’s present situation is, that unlike Eloise, he is stuck in that maze, and hasn’t been able to ‘run the course’ like she did. (I hope that makes sense).
Daniel has been off of ‘the island’ living his life. We do know, that he was doing his own experimenting with his girlfriend Theresa Spencer in his younger years.
It is possible that Daniel did go to ‘the island’ long before arriving via ‘the freighter’ and any of this occurred, and is why he is back there now.
I don’t know in what respect Daniel’s involvement is, with ‘the incident’, but I am convinced that he is the cause of it, for some reason, which may or may not be intentional.
I’m not sure if that is what you were looking for, by way of a response.
Didn’t we see a little girl that could be Charlotte holding an adult’s (her mother’s?) hand when Dan/Losties were first brought in and Horace was talking to Sawyer, er Lafleur?
mojo, we did see a young Charlotte in Dharmaville. If you recall, they had to prevent Faraday from falling apart at the sight of her!
“we have seen no signs of Charlotte as a child on the island
mojo, we saw Charlotte walking with her mother in Dharmaville as a child, not long after they originally flashed there. We also heard young Charlotte speak to her mother. This was overheard not only by Faraday, but by Sawyer, Juliette, et el.
Check out Lostpedia. I can’t recall the name of the episode, but it was immediately when they flashed to 1974. that was the last we saw of Daniel Faraday.
Thanks Dabs; I mistyped the last time we’d seen Faraday, but I’m getting at the same thing you are; that we have seen Charlotte, and that Dan did have a chance to say something to her, unlike what the original theory says.
I should look at lostpedia, though, because I swear we see Faraday in a DI suit at some point between the young Charlotte scene and the dock scene with Miles …
ok…. thanks for all the comments thus far. i appreciate any input i get on this one. i did forget about them seeing young Charlotte… thanks for reminding me. however, Dabs brings up a good point. after that incident in 1974 we dont see Faraday any more until he pops out of the sub. which is exactly my point. if he was to have become a part of Dharma in 1974 like the others, how did he explain to them that he was this ingenious scientist that was on a boat full of regular people. Horace and the other Dharmas already had a hard enough time believing Sawyers story of a shipwreck, but they are just gonna accept a self-proclaimed scientist and welcome him into their mysterious goings-on. then they shipped him to Ann Arbor to learn more and then ship him back 3 years later? this would be very difficult for me to grasp. and if this was so easy to explain away, why would the writers just completely leave Faraday out of half the season?? maybe i am jumping the gun and they will explain all about what he has been doing since 1974 in the upcoming episodes. it just seems to me that he knows far more about the island and whats going on than he lets on.
It’s pretty simple. He leaves the island on the sub after 1974. Then returns in 1977. They will keep it simple. I’m sure he was working on something. No loop.
thanks for the response lost#’s…. but from what i have seen on this site with the theories, people at least try and give a little bit of evidence to refute someones theory. so what you’re saying is that Dharma just welcomed him in with open arms and allowed him to start working on their projects ? maybe you could give me a little insight as to why they would do that. thanks
Remember they tested Jack and told him he was fit to be a janitor? Maybe when they tested Faraday he tested really high and they immediately shipped off to the mainland.
Dare I ask for highbrows assistance on this?
I must agree with Lost #s, Faraday is not in a loop. He is (for your ‘evidence’)…
Horace says they are scientists from Ann Arbor. This is Faraday we see with long hair, much like hi ‘younger’ self Des visits at Oxford, hell, that could even be Faradays younger self, and the nutjob could have concience travelled back to the 70s.
I think its quite possible that this could be his first physical trip to the island, even….but to not get crazy….
I think Faraday does leave the island sometime in 74-77, works for the Ann Arbor scientists to help them do, whatever it is there doing, and then possibly returns, most likely to do something to save Charolette…and possibly being the “scary man” she spoke of right before her death. Faraday is timetraveling, and while being on island in the 70s, leaves and returns to the island…and yes, I actually do think he is cooncience travelling.
I think the only thing that is stuck in a timeloop, if anything is the island itself. If someone doesnt realize they are repeating, then it is more than likely someone else timetravelling.
The only way it could be an actual loop for a person/individual, is if they exhisted on island as a ‘younger’ self, then concience travelled back to that timeperiod repeating the process, much as the isalnd is seemingly doing between the timeperiod of 1974 and 2004, when Locke and Ben turned the wheel.
Julietslover, I think three years would have been a long time for Faraday to have remained hidden amongst the Dharma Initiative’s scientists off of ‘the island’.
I suspect there is more to his story.
Also, I am reminded of the fact that when Daniel initially views the crash of #815 on television, he begins to weep.
This tells me, he has previous knowledge of ‘the island’, and of the flight, in particular. Otherwise, why the tears!
That is enough to convince me, you are on the right track!
I think we will find out there is much more to Daniel’s story and what he has been up to.
lol AES, simoposting again!
I like your explanation, btw. It certainly makes good sense.
He is crying at the site of the TV with the recovery of 815, because he concience travelled, and his ‘older’ more knowledgable self is in the younger body and vice versa. He has things that stick in his concience, as we see by his emotional cry, but has no idea what is going on…remember his memory loss upon arrival, that will most likely play in.
I assume after Desmond left him, he used the ‘numbers’ that Des gave him, to concience travel for the first time. I would assume that once on island, realizes this, and travels off island to do it and somehow join the Ann Arbor team, which he very well may have already been a part of in his younger days…
Let us not forget, that some version of Faraday was on the island in the 50s well before the Losties and a different version was there. Elle, who turned out to be his mother asks him upon seeing him for the first time when the island was ‘skipping’ asks, “You just couldnt stay away, could you?”. Even Richard incinuates that it was Faraday who originally brought the bomb to the island iin “Jugghead”.
AES, good point about what Ellie says to Daniel. That is likely what she meant. He has been meddling in the past, and she knows this.
I mentioned that Faraday is unlike Eloise, in the sense, she maneuvered her way through the maze. I believe his consciousness takes a wrong turn, here and there.
When he sees #815, it is almost like a repressed memory that surfaces from his consciousness.
Okay, you just had to throw out that last remark, about Richard insinuating Faraday brought Jughead to ‘the island’, didn’t you?
Now, I have that stuck in my brain! lol Definitely something worth thinking about. If you got more on that one, please spill.
A theory I had is Faraday is time-looping inevitably until he finds a way to prevent Charlotte’s death (if he can at all). That’s why he said, “Whatever happened, happened.” I don’t believe it to be true so I’ve never posted it as a theory. It also could not explain everything else going on with Widmore, Ben, Locke, Richard, etc. But I still enjoy mentioning these thoughts with others to consider and come up with new theories. Nice job, keep posting
Maybe this is a dumb question, but i didn’t realize the chic that says that to Dan is actually Eloise Hawking? Is that what I am to understand here? Sorry, I may have totally missed the boat on that one!
The very same…
Hence the naming of the experimental, timetravelling Rat after mum…how sweet…
thanks a lot guys and gals for all the comments so far. all of you bring up very valid points and are punching a few holes in my theory… good job. however, i think i will chose to stay on the path of my original thoughts on this one until i see something that blows it out of the water. i just have a strange feeling that Faraday is much more than he seems….. maybe he is “Jacob”… just kidding… i think
thx AES! i missed that one.
Dan is much more than meets the eye. I think his role and where he comes from are very important, and I don’t think they’ve given us enough clues. Hopefully we’ll see more this Weds …
Help with what?
AES – I love it when I am catching up on reads here, and trying to be patient and read all the comments before posting the thought I have, and then *sigh of relief/happiness* you go right in and bring up the very thing I was going to say…
Right up until you brought up Ellie in 1954 I was going to use this as my jumping off point as to why I believe Daniel has been ‘experimenting’ with timetravel and such, and that ultimately he could have even been in 1953 or something while everyone else was in 1975.
I do happen to think that the ‘results’ or findings is what prompts him to attempt to manipulate things. (Not Benipulate, mind you all…) I just think that Daniel’s pretty emotion-driven, and he’s going to try to make up for past (future, even) mistakes now that he has “returned”.
But I’m tangenting…