Faraday’s plan set to failure
Let’s say that Jack takes the hydrogen bomb blows it sky high and stops the incident … hatch never gets built, Desmond never presses the button, plane never crashes, freighter never comes, people never go back in time, no one is there to blow up the bomb …. wait a minute isn’t that what we just tried to fix ….
that’s reason one you can’t do something that would cause you to never time travel and do that thing…
reason two Faraday is kind of desperate at the moment and honestly has no idea what the power of the island is … who is to say that hydrogen bomb will actually negate anything, hell its most likely the reason for the incident.
Good thoughts. I was going to write a ‘theory’ about Jack rigging the H bomb to blow.
I hadn’t thought of it that if they blow the bomb up, they can’t travel back in the future, which means they can’t……blow it up. Too confusing for me.
this whole show is giving me headaches….who knows anymore….in the words of hurley…Will someone give me some FRICKIN answers
They are (lol).
We just haven’t been spoon fed since we were babies. We’re not used to it anymore!
🙂
I have trouble with Jack’s circular thinking.
When he says he trusts Eloise because she is the one who sent them back in the first place and that they are back to fulfill their destiny which is to blow up the bomb and re-set everything.
So if 2007 Eloise knows they will do that, she must also remember what happened when they tried to set off the bomb (and failed) !
You know what? It would be just like the writers to throw us a curve ball on the season finale and have the bomb explode the way Jack intended.I think even if they set off the bomb and succed in doing so, somehow and someway, no matter what they do plane 815 will always crash.
(NOT that I think what I put above this is really how it will go, as I also think that they will fail to set off the bomb, but just what I think will happen if they somehow do.) 🙂
Is the swan site on a mountain in the 1970s. I would think that if it wasn’t, the explosion of a h-bomb would blow that part of the island into the sea. Due to this, I dont think the bomb was ever detonated. Unless the bomb actually did negate the power of the island and no bomb crater was ever formed… this would be disappointing… too much left up to pseudo science… not enough explanation… plus jack can’t ever do anything correctly so even if Faraday’s ideas about preventing the present (destrorying the past… which means it couldnt happen anyway) could work Jack would screw it up some how and the future would be the future as it was????????
Also, if the h-bomb was ever detonated people such as Ben, Radzinski, Horace, and the others shouldnt have survived the explosion, let alone the radiation caused by the bomb. Jack fails… plus season six still has to happen…
The bomb could have been detonated when the failsafe was turned by desmond in the future and the magnetism confined the blast to a very small crater.
This isn’t the Losties past its their present.
So if they blew the bomb up it wouldnt make a difference because they have already travelled back in time. Dont forget someone like for example: John Locke (i know hes not in 77′) if he was to have time travelled there would be another John Locke and he’d be 21 in 1977 BUT on the outside world. So the new Locke would still have the same things happen to him and he would still get on 815 and it would still crash.
The only John Locke that blowing the H bomb would effect is the John Locke in that timeline.
Someone like Miles would be different as there are 2 of them at different ages but in the same time period at the same location. If the bomb blows up it affects both of them and there wouldnt be a future Miles to get on the freighter and eventually time travel with the Losties
Yeah, so what if there’s a 21-year-old John Locke in 1977? That John Locke would grow into a guy who meets his father, gets thrown out a window, becomes paralized, goes to Australia, gets denied access to his walkabout, gets on flight 815 and lands safely in LA. The problem is that if the plane lands in LA and doesn’t crash on the island then how the heck did Jack get to the island to detonate the bomb and stop the plane crash? He’s in LA living his life! Oh, but if he doesn’t detonate the bomb then, um, he would crash on the island… hmmm…
smokey_, I like your post and your reasoning behind it.
I think what everyone may be forgetting is, that who is to say this is the first ‘kick at the can’.
With all that the show has shown us, we cannot rule out, that even if Jack does cause ‘the incident’ by his actions, that this hasn’t occurred similarly before.
I am not suggesting that it was Jack, but it does seem like certain characters are ‘morphing’ the actions of other characters, in some regard. As if, it has all played out previously, only with different players in place!
For instance, it appears that Jack has now morphed into John Locke, saying it’s his destiny to be on ‘the island’.
Will he become the next ‘head strong’ leader just like Locke was?
There is far more to this story.
It’s pretty obvious that whatever Jack will make is exactly what Eloise remembers happening. Otherwise she wouldn’t send him nor her son back to the island.
Daniel is most likely the responsible for the hatch ever taking place on the show. And remember that he is Desmond’s constant. And Desmond part on the story isn’t finished yet.
1977 ->–>—>–> 2007-> End of time for Losties
Jack destroys the bomb, motions are set in place as to what we have already seen throughout season
I dont get how blowing up the bomb will make it so that the losties lives go back to the way they we’re “supose to be”. What about course correcting? If the losties we’re put on the island for a reason then they will always end up there no matter what happens. Faraday is thinking that if the hatch wasnt built then there wouldnt be a button to push so the losties plane would never crash. But I think that no matter what they will all end up back there because that’s the way it was supose to happen. In the end they are all supose to be on the island. Like when Eloise was explaining to Desmond about buying the wedding ring for penny and she told him about the guy with the red shoes. As she said I could have saved him but he would have gotten hit by a bus the next day or something like that.
I don’t believe in the whole course correction theory. It seems a bit egotistical to believe that we can fool destiny if it exists… I don’t think you can avoid the course, talking about avoiding the course is part of the course… They are all going to do what they are supposed to do. Jack is going to blow up the bomb and cause the incident and they’re going to continue to be stuck in a loop. Otherwise as it was postulated above, how could they ever have been thrown into the past in the first place to fix the problem that is necessary to make it possible for them to try and fix it.. Paradox! All I can say is this had better not be some kind of f#&king dream in the end or I’m tearing up my Lost member’s card…. 🙂
It’s not that we don’t have a choice; it’s just that we are only going to make one choice and we are bound to make that one choice a certain way. If we double think our choice and choose differently, that’s what we’re supposed to do according to our collective set of characteristics.. I must say this, it’s the most interesting set up for time travel I’ve ever seen on the TV show.
what if going back to 77 was not meant to change any event, what happened still happened. Its the people that changed. Jack accepts that he is not destined to be a leader. His father told him when he was young he does not want to be a hero.Christian was guiding towards his true destiny. Hes accepted that he and Kate are not meant to be or he would not try to prevent crash which brought them together. He now believes in Locke. Going to the past Changed HIM not events.
Or… Jack tells Eloise, after she kills grown up Dan, that not only is he her son but a time traveler from the future and with that knowledge she goes and steals Dan from Darma, who is realy Horaces biological child and raises him as her own because Eloise thinks its her destiny to raise him, or may just need him in future.
If the bomb explodes it probably won’t explode in a conventional way.Maybe the explosion freezes in time somehow because it was the bombs explosion that created the exotic matter in the first place.the bomb IS the paradox, which if explodes will set things into motion that everyone is trying to change.maybe the swan was connected to this static non explosion to absorb the energy safely until all the energy has been released.The arrival of des and his knowledge of “turning the key” was integral to the destruction of the swan.Seeing as it was ellie who told him what he was going to do,he went and did it.I think des’s presence on the island was charles widmores plan.the real question is WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE BOMB IS’NT DETONATED?……..not what will haappen if it is…….the only way to get an electro magnetic pulse in our real world is from fission or fusion.In this story it would appear,if im correct,that the energy on this island emerged from the detonation of the bomb…..No detonation, no electromagnetism.This “incident” if it happens will be what causes all the travelling before ,during and after.All the strange activity could all come to an end if the bomb is dismantled.I wrote all this based on where an electro magnetic pulse comes from.There can’t be one without a wmd.