Just don’t trust her…no, not her…(Producers DVD/Podcast comments included)
She is devious and manipulative. The men on Lost have fallen at her feet. Even Ben made a move in a way, (not really). She sticks with whoever is running the show it seems. She likes to play everyone like a fiddle, and feel she is going to be one of the most important characters on the island, even though in reality, she really has been quite worthless up to this point…Katherine Anne “Kate” Austen.
Although I am happy to see Jack back in theory topics, I feel we are forgetting some very important information on the ‘Alias’ queen herself.
And yes, I am a true believer that she is Annie, the girl who met, adopted Ben as a friend, and possibly more, and gave him his doll, as a birthday present. It seems as if the Losties have some special purpose for being there, for better or worse, and I think Kate will be very important.
She isnt my favorite character by any means, but if you think way back to the first episodes DVD commentary, it was said that Jack was originally supposed to die in the pilot, and Kate was going to be more of a main character, and I think she still will be that. And the producers have said Annie will play an important role, and I think it will be more than just her death. Hell, Ben could even think she is dead, and not realize who Kate is.
I think when the bomb goes off or doesnt, there will be the EM surge that will rattle the island, and the sub, and the sub will break, thus causing Sawyer to make the choice of his life…Juliet, or Freckles.
He will most likely choose to save Kate, and by doing so, the season finale will be the Juliet character finale as well.
I think we will see that, possibly in flashbacks, or even from the 70s perspective, that Kate was in fact Annie, and her mothers cancer, much like Miles, is in some way related to the islands radioactive exposure.
I know many see Kate and Annie being one in the same, and I know many do not. For non believers, the ‘freckels’ on them both doesnt quite cut it. I think I can do better than that. Aside from freckles and her mothers cancer, there are several other things that to me, are clues to her being Annie. When Ben captured Her, Jack, and Sayer, he was oddly nice to her before her imprisoning, fine cuisine, on the beach, with silverware and a fancy dress, either way, I dont know. But if she is , who knows she could be in on the whole thing, even if she didnt realize it at first, or even now.
She was unusually nice to Roger during Bens kidnapping, and I couldnt help but notice the irony that she is sitting on the swing with Roger, in what appears to be the same place Annie sat with Ben when she gave him the doll…
It could make sense, even if she doesnt know why she is helping him, they share a belief in helping or taking care of children, yes, a very broad assumption, but still a valid one.
I also cant help but notice her ma(be)nipulative nature with men.
Everyone from Jack, Sawyer, and Roger have fallen for her, to all the off island men she seduced, whether sexual in nature like the bank robber and her ex husband, to non sexual, like Ray the man who allowed her to stay until he realized he could make a little $$$ on the whole thing.
I know this is one of those old topics that has been discussed to death, but I feel with a large EM anomily coming, and the love triangle on the sub right now, something big is about to happen, and I think that it would be nice to gain some insight on the only lostie that carries great importance who we havent seen a childhood for yet. Sayid, Sawyer, Hurley, Jack, Miles, Dan, John, Aaron, Walt, Sun, and even Ben have been shown through flashbacks or present situations, their childhood, and I feel they are saving a big one for “Freckles”.
Sorry, a short and hopefully simple theory from me, but with all the talk of Jack and Johns importance, it pains me (unfortunatly) to leave Kate out of the loop, considering the producers beginning intentions with her.
I could be mistaken on the Annie idea, it just makes sense, but I think Kates role will be huge in comparison to everyone with maybe the exception of John and Jack.
On a side note, if you dont believe Kate is Annie, I would love to hear why not (I am not being sarcastic, I really would).
Other than the idea that her death is Bens reason for fondness in children, which I sort of cover with the possibility that Ben thinks she is actually dead, which I have heard several times now.
Thanks.
AES, this is indeed one character I have been ‘itching’ to discuss!
There are so many things about Kate, that have not been mentioned, so hopefully I can cover a few of my observations here!
I like the tie-in with both Kate’s mother and Miles’ mother having cancer. I believe we will learn more about this angle.
Kate has been underestimated for a variety of reasons, and perhaps it is because she is female, and has the ability to disarm men.
I know that she plays a much more significant role, and we have not seen the last of her manipulative ways.
I believe she is present to work over both Jack and Sawyer. It’s a little harder with Sawyer, because of Juliette, but I do think Kate will still be able to use him effectively.
If Jack has a downfall, or a pitfall in his way, it will likely turn out to be, his feelings for Kate.
I will make another post now, to get at my observations!
Okay AES, I am ready to make some bold comparisons!
John Locke has the ability to hunt, track, shoot, use a knife, kill, and basically use all of his boy-scout skills.
But, so does Kate! She learned all of these things from her step-father, Major Austen, who I believe is also tied to ‘the island’.
She also knows how to ‘live on the run’, isn’t coy when it comes to lying, cheating and conning, and I might add, killing!
The viewers have been just as blinded by Kate as any of ‘the losties’.
I am not suggesting that I dislike her, but I am aware that there is something much deeper to Kate, than we haven’t been privy to.
I do happen to think Kate is tied to somebody on ‘the island’, and am not sure if she is Annie, but it will be a close relationship, I am sure.
We have been led to believe that Jack was not meant to be ‘the leader’, and so that places John Locke right in line.
But, the one person who I feel is working from a completely different angle, in a very clever way is Kate. For reasons, not yet known!
PS: Very nice theory! Glad you’re back theorizing!
PS: I should also mention that Kate does have a relationship with Ben and roger that goes beyond anything we have seen to date, IMO.
i thought annie was a little girl the same age or abouts as ben not 20-30 years older if im wrong sorry but its a big hole to be filled in
I’ve been about 50% convinced that Kate and Annie are the same person for some time now… I won’t be surprised either way…
One of the biggest arguments against it has been that Ben doesn’t remember her… well, that’s kind of a non-issue now. Ben has been shot and was taken to the Others to be healed. Richard has told us that he won’t remember any of it. I can see how he would be reminded of being shot (the bullet hole in his chest) and how he can remember Richard and the Others (they’re, um, standing around him), how he remembers the Temple (he’s like, in it) and if he’s sent back to the DHARMA Initiative he’ll probably be treated as a guy with Amnesia (so they’ll just remind him of stuff). But he’s not back to the DHARMA Initiative yet and the women and children are being put on the sub. So why doesn’t Ben remember Annie? Because he doesn’t remember anything and she won’t be there when he gets back. Ok, I’m maybe 70% convinced now.
Kate is confused about her father, is she not? Could this be because her father is in a pit on a magical island? Her story could be like Miles’ story. Her father sent her and her mother off the island and died there (Oh my God, I hope it’s Jack! That would be hilarious!). I wonder who it would be? Oh, maybe Phil? Or Horace?
Radzinsky.
i don’t think we’ll here anything about any of this….the entire 6th series will be about hugo’s dad and how he managed to make all this supernatural sh*it go so horribly wrong.all the problems were seeing is down to him because he went to the future to fiddle the lottery.he’s been here there and everywhere to make things pan out the way he wanted.it is the missing link that ties everything together
Dabsi…Damn, forgot to mention kates tracking ability, good call, just watched the episode where she helps Sawyer find his boar last night.
Highbrow….good call on Bens memory. Perfect reasoning for him to not remember Kate.
Hell, Ray could be her father, all over the world, ties to Sayid, and possibly other characters being MILITARY, much like the military on the island in the 50s.
Even Kelvin was working with Kates step dad on his military missions, which could even mean that the military has more to do with everything than first thought.
I agree with Zander. Too big of an age gap between Ben and Kate
I wouldn’t be surprised but the age thing would bother me. Kate is much younger than Ben. But TPTB have screwed with birthdates before. See charlotte.
AES, so glad you are picking up on the ‘military connections’, because I do think they play a pivotal role in things.
The military would NEVER let ‘the island’ alone, even if they couldn’t locate it. They would place people there, if it were in their power.
I have never ruled out Kelvin Inman, Sam Austen, and the possibility that the former connection to Sayid, may have been more than the ‘eye’ meets!
Sayid was used as an infiltrator previously, and Kate was certainly well trained for her mission, if in fact that is the case!
I think the ‘military aspects’ have been ignored for a good reason. It makes sense that they would still have an interest in this mysterious place!
Not to defend the tricksters that the writers and producers are, but it could easily be taken care of with a number of ideas that I myself have come up with regarding time travel properties and the islands protection over some people.See Richard Alpert, and any episode this year involving timetravel.
Ancient Chinese Secret.
We saw Sam is the one that took Sayid by helicopter during his Iraq capture, and Kelvin was the one who released him back, and was pushing the button when Desmond arrived to the island.
I wrote a theory about Sam on the old LT aite, that wasnt very popular, but now could come back to play.
“Ancient Chinese Secret”?
AES, I’ve been saying for awhile that I think many of the answers can be found in the early episodes, that never seemed to bear fruition.
It just shows us, that they weren’t just throw away scenes. Many of these issues are resurfacing again!
Yeah. That’s how Kate looks so young. She’s really 43.
so then you’re saying that kate and ben are the same age? i see a 20 year age difference i think…..
I could get on board with the Kate is Annie theory, but the age thing is stopping me. Even though there is the time travel aspect, and we have the ageless wonder over there, i don’t understand how she could not age. I think Richard Alpert doesn’t appear to age for reasons other then timetravel, because he’s special to the island. I don’t see Kate being in the same catagory as Richard. So it doesn’t really work for me. Kate would be in her mid 40’s by now…..
What about Miles then? that would make him a few years younger than her, and Dan even younger than Miles.
Recall the line in Room 23, “Only fools are enslaved, by time and space”.
I still don’t think we have seen the ‘broader picture’ of the essence of its meaning!
I think it is pretty clear, that there were some age discrepencies, amongst other mistakes on the writers side, and it may be something we have to look past.
We have already seen it with Charolette, and Im sure there is more that we have missed.
Besides, something about Bens health is obviously awry, the tumor way back when proved that. I think that frequent travel to and fro the island could possibly cause people to be older and have health issues.
Widmore was outcast, and it seems he aged very rapidly over 15 some odd years from the man he was on island pre exile in the early to mid 90s, to when we see him now in 2007.
i agree with you that there have been some age discrepencies. Don’t even get me started on the 40 year old guy playing 20 year old Ethan….
It would definetely be a great twist, and i think the other similarities between them are pretty bang on…i’m just a fool enslaved by time and space i guess 😉
yeah, relax “man”, just a show, lol, I swear Im kidding…
i think Widmore looks about as he should. We see him on the docks being exhiled, sometime in the mid 90’s, looking old-ish (55is) then we see him 15 years later, and i think he looks about 68-70ish.For me it works.
Plus another thing. She told the farmer who she was staying at in the flashback that her name was Annie… Kinda too obvious.
Very true, I think some things are supposed to seem “too obvious” for us to get, a very good writing technique.
Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one.
Good call Bailey..reading too much into things.
The year is wrong for him to be searching for the island for 20 years, and it throws me off about the character sometimes
A.E.S. This is a great therory. Your points have convinced me. I too had hoped Kate had a big part in the sceme of things to come, just could not figure out what it would be. You have!
Interesting…stone. I forgot about the farmer. I would say that it was just a coincidence that Kate used the name Annie at the time, but I’ve learned that with LOST every single image and word spoken on screen has a meaning. So I guess it could be….though the age gap still keeps me from truly believing that Annie and Kate are one and the same
Stone, great recollection on the name “Annie”, that Kate used in Australia!
sorry i think i got the wrong end of the stick so kate is on the island as a young girl called annie whys she called kate now then or is kate her real alias shes been living under all her life
Okay, a couple of things in favor of this. They both have to deal with Charlotte. She doesn’t quite remember the Island, maybe that is why Kate doesn’t remember it. Also, Charlotte looks a lot younger than Ben when she is not. Maybe that whole continuity error that Darlton claims occured did not. Maybe there is some time jumping with Annie and Charlotte. That might help explain the age problems.
BanLinus, I think it would be a ‘real kick’, if we were to find out, that ‘the losties’ were all once on ‘the island’ as young children!
Maybe it’s not all that far-fetched!
I keep half expecting we will find out something along these lines!
besides the age thing… which i am not buying with time properties is the fact that we see her with ben, older than annie was coherent and intelligent. it would be easy to try and tell a young girl that her memories of an island are made up, but annie seemed older and more intelligent than charlotte, and would remember this island a lot more than charlotte, who desperately tried to get back. did any magically lose her memory too? doesnt add up for me.
if the writers put in time travel and memory loss. then ill accept it. those are my reasons for not believing tho
Am loving the military angle! So many connections! Even
I have difficulty believing Kate could be Annie.
When we see Ben and Annie together they must be about 10 years old. Even if Annie/Kate left the island shortly after, she must have some recollection of her time on the island.
highbrow mentions that Ben may not remember Annie because he was taken in by the Hostiles and taken to the Temple where, as Richard claims, he would’ve forgotten everything. But, we’ve seen a grown up Ben looking at the toy Annie gave him as a child so this must mean Ben does remember Annie.
The other thing is the age discrepancy.
If, in 1977, Ben was 12, then Annie/Kate would be about the same age. That means in 2007 she would be 42.
Obviously, with the other age discrepancies that have happened of late, we can’t use this as hard evidence.
Thinking about it, I can’t help but wonder if the age discrepancies have been done on purpose.
Take Charlotte for example. She would be about 6 in 1977, so in 2004 she would have been 33. That’s not too difficult to believe. But with Miles only just being a baby in 1977, this would make Charlotte 6 years older than Miles, and possibly 7 years older than Daniel.
Now, it seems to me that Daniel should be the eldest of the 3. Perhaps there is something backwards going on on that island.
However, with the time travel that’s possible on that island Charlotte, Daniel, Miles and Annie/Kate could all end up in different times and grow up separately.
I’m not entirely sure, but for now I’m going to stick with Kate not being Annie.
Although, Annie must be of some importance and perhaps her being Kate is what it is…
Sorry for babbling 🙂
So the age discrepency is being put aside for now because of all the problems we’ve seen with the ages of people we know were on the island as kids. That is the major problem with this theory so I think it just makes it stronger.
I’m sure when Ben was returned to the DI they tried to help him remember his past and I’m sure they showed him things that were important to him. They showed him the dolls and told him about his friend Annie whom he cannot remember. He keeps the dolls and looks at them to remind himself that he lost part of himself in becomeing who/what he is. Sappy, but hey, that’ll happen sometimes when you an’t remember the first 12 or so years of your life…
As for the memory idea, there is a lot of ground in between when we see Annie with Ben last, and the earliest(youngest) scene with Kate. Who knows, maybe Annie was taken to the others at some point, or something along those lines.
My point is, that Kate still has a large role to fill, we never saw her as a child (that we know of), and we have no idea what happened to Annie.
There is more speculational assumptions that add up on the pro Annie side, than the non Annie side, and I have and will believe that it will be true, unless someone comes up with something better than time discrepencies, because as we have seen on Lost so far, they dont really mean squat for the most part, especially season to seaon.
Ill make this very easy for the age problem people….
To debate the ages of Ben and Kate, Lostpedia, which is not always accurate has her at the age of 30, I assume from the 2004 perspective, and Ben came to the island at age 8.
Ben was born in 1964, making him about 40 upon the losties arrival, and Kate would be 30 then, giving them a 10 year age gap. I see the discrepency, and acknowledge it. Now, that would make Kate age -2 upon his arrival, (yes, I am more than willing to point out my flaws).
Im going to chalk it up as a discrepency, and stick with my gut, as I did when they showed Charolette as a child before admitting the birthdate mistake.
I thought about something that struck me as odd. According to lostpedia Ben Linus was born in December of 1964. kate was born in May of 1977. That means there is roughly 13 years between them. I figured that this ruled out Kate as the missing Annie, but when Ben was 12 he was desperate to leave his father and join the Hostiles. Where was Annie at this time? has she left the island? Had she died? Nothing is mentioned of her. When Syiad shoots Ben he is around 12 years old. Kate and Sawyer take him to Richard to save him, stating that they could save Ben at the cost of his innocence. As silly is it sounds, I always took the statement of losing innocence as losing virginity, and if you added nine months to Ben’s age of 12 that would be a about a 13 year age gap. Could it oddly be that somehow Ben is actually Kate’s father?
Just throwing this out there. Maybe Kate had an older sister that died and Kate was, partly, named after her. We would still have an island connection and would explain age discrepancies.
Ooh, Angus… I like that… She had an older sister who lived on the island and was named Annie… Kate later used her name as an alias…
Good one Angus. I’ll roll with that.
What if Kate (older Kate) is somehow responsible, at least in part, for the death of her sister. Maybe her mother realizes who she is later when she sees Kate all grown up… she might think she’s losing her mind or something because she thinks her daughter (Kate) as an adult killed her first daughter (Annie) as a child. Maybe she becomes more suspicious after Kate confirms to her mother that she’s a killer.
THAT is genius gentlemen. love it.
Good call, Angus!
I definitely believe that we will find out eventually, that ‘the losties’ will be tied into ‘the island’ as children, in some manner! And, thus why they are and always have been connected! to it.
Yeah it definitely seems as if they are all tied to the island somehow. I never even caught the Annie connection ’til I read this posting. So Thank You!
An older sister named Annie wouldn’t necessarily make Annie’s character significant other than a tie to the island.
The only thing that begs a question is why Kate didn’t saw her mother or her self in the DHARMA barracks.
And why she doesn’t remember her time spent on Dharmaville.
There is only two options here:
1. She had left the island before the “losties” showed up. Which would set the reason for her mothers cancer to something else.
Remembers the island but is keeping it to herself or had it’s memory erased somehow.
2. She’s not Annie
And by the trailer of the season finale Juliet stills very much alive
They do get off the sub somehow but she is alive. At least up to that point.
If they kill her they will be killing the wrong character. It would be much better to just kill both Kate and Jack and get rid of the show annoyances 🙂
Who said they were going to kill Juliet?
just going back to the original write up which suggests that the sub could break causin sawyer to choose: This can’t happen because then miles and his mum wouldn’t have gotten back.
everything else is good though 🙂
Maybe they’ll leave then come back. Maybe they’ll get out of their cuffs and get off the sub. Maybe they’ll teleport back to the beach. Maybe the DI will just take them out away from the island then throw them off.
I was thinking that the incicdent would cause Sawyer, Juliette and Kate to get transported back to the island when everyone goes boes back to 2007, but the previews kinda stopped that line of reasoning.
Okay, right before the “Kate could have an older sister” idea came up, Highbrow said something that got me thinking.
Highbrow said something…”I
So Kim, you’re saying that in Ben’s mind he sees Annie, the little blonde girl. But in reality it’s Kate? A grown-up who’s nice to him? Hmmm, ok… But the problem I have is that I think by the time Kate gets to the island in 1977 Ben and Annie already have their relationship. They met right when Ben got there.
Now, if Annie is Kate’s older sister and her older sister is about Ben’s age then Kate might not have been born yet and it could explain, perhaps, why we haven’t seen Annie. The year is 1977 and if you believe Lostpedia is correct and Kate is in fact 30 years old then she was born in 1977. Maybe Kate’s mom is in Tahiti due to her pregnancy and Annie has gone with her. So then Kate hasn’t run into Annie or her mom on the island because they’re not there…
Somebody needed to disagree with someone about something on here. Thought I would provide the opportunity. 😉
Well, I’m kind of joking. I couldn’t remember when Ben encountered Annie and as soon as you mentioned that it was right when he got there, I did. So thanks. But ultimately the idea that Ben ‘created’ a vision of a person to be meaningful to him was what I was getting at… Given that Kate helped him, whether it was by giving blood or taking him to Richard, I wouldn’t be surprised if he clung to a memory of her that wasn’t necessarily real. Maybe that makes more sense as to what I was trying to say.
But, in reality when it comes to my personal preference, there are certain storylines I care more about than others. I want to know what Kate’s deal is. If it’s related at all to Annie, or being an island-child, then great. I don’t have any strong opinions, just curiosity.
Kate is the first person to deliver a healthy child on the island since whatever caused the fertility problems, right? So she could have a more significant connection to the island there, too. Maybe the statue is her!
Wait, Angus, don’t you mean Juliet helped deliver the baby Ethan?
And it was Amy’s baby….Kate wasn’t there yet…
The fertility problems hadn’t started yet. Kate delivered Claire’s baby. I know Aaron wasn’t concieved on the island but he was the first to go to term and actually be born. I’m saying Kate or her lineage are even more tied to the island than her being or not being Annie.
I actually like the thought of Ben making that memory up.
Gotcha Angus. I see what you are saying about her delivering Aaron in 2004, if we are assuming that the fertility issues started after Ethan was conceived and born there.
So when you say the statue being Kate then, does that mean you have thoughts that include Kate (or some sort of her ancestors) being present in ancient times when the statue was complete?
Yes thats it. I just wrote in the fun section that maybe all the *15’s are the original inhabitants of the isand. They do seem to be the only ones who can make shifts in time.
Sorry Miles, Faraday, Charlotte and Juliette were not on 815 but none of them were really Others either. I don’t think Juliette fully commiitted herself to them.
Lets talk about Juliet for a moment because she’s the other one I have been thinking about in terms of purpose. Remember her mark? Remember her line (along the lines of): “if you knew what I have done…you would kill me.”
I think she was committed, indebted even. Ben said that if she stayed on island, Jacob would cure her sister…which she eventually got to see via video.
I am hoping for some big reveal like Juliet was one of the people who knew about all the time flashes, when/how they would be in ’77, and that she’s been playing Sawyer to lead up to this point in time of the past. (It would be a nice counterbalance to Kate representing something else, more tied to the island than we have seen so far, too…)
But, that’s just my little opinion.
I dont think the sister idea will pan out, no offence, just seems too crazy, even for Lost.
Also, on Juliets death, I dont watch much tv, especially abc, other than Lost. I threw that in there, still with thoughts of Juliets demise tonight, just for the simple reason she isnt going to make it to next season.
I fully believe Juliet is an other, thats IS and not WAS, and I believe she is a sneaky bitch that I would never trust.
At least Kate gets what she wants, whatever it is that particular moment. I think Juliet is sort of pathetic on the show, and is the biggest pawn of all, even if it somehow shines through that Locke is wrong.
She cant get a man on her own, she is constantly stealing or picking up someone elses broken hearted man, and that is why I believe her to be worthless at this point.
She may do something important tonight, but her lack of answers, almost knowing that she has them, leads me to believe she is still and other, and honestly, her pathetic cries for attention from the men on the island just makes me pity her….
Just reading the thoughts about Ben “envisioning” a friend named Annie which leads me to wonder if we aren’t being led to assume certain things about her. First of all, maybe she’s not really there at all. She hasn’t been around during any of these scenes in 1970’s Dharmaville, only when Ben was first on the island. So what if Jacob was reaching out to Ben, through Annie? Maybe he is Annie. The only problem I have with my own idea is that we’ve only seen smokie/non-Locke/Jacob appear as living or previous alive people. So Annie has to be someone that was in fact previously alive. And if Jacob chose Annie because she was the mother of the island, or something like that, it would tie in to Annie being very significant.
We do actually know quite a bit about Kate’s childhood. About growing up with Wayne in the house beating her mom and thinking someone else is her real dad. We see her steal a lunchbox as a child. We learn about her childhood sweetheart Tom through the time capsule…
I do agree with you that Kate has not played an extremely significant role thus far. She is always there. Just there, asisting. She ads mystery to the story and thickens the plot and suspense especially in earlier seasons when we first learn that she is a convict and about what she did. She is also used to create spartks between Sawyer and Jack.
I’m 99% sure i read somewhere that Kate was born in 1977. I think Ben came to the island in about 73 74 and meets Annie almost straight away.. So it cant be Kate because she’s not born yet..
But if I’ve got her date of birth wrong then yeahh it seems very possible that they are the same person.
Ahh but saying that did you post this comment before the season 5 finale? because we’ve seen Kate as a child now.
p.s i know im a little late commenting on this but i was looking for some Annie related theories and came across this 🙂
I had to have…I remember the finale and saying…well, another one bites the dust, lol