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Im sort of confused….

May 18, 2009 by A.E.S.

I am sort of confused?

Who exactly is the statue supposed to be?
WHo is the “good guy” and who is the “bad guy”?
Oh, and also, who is Jacob referring to by “They are coming…” before he is killed by the gentleman who looks like Locke?

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Abbot Enheduanna Schwarzschild Name meaning: -Abbot: Father defined by or in religious connotation/definition. From the beginning, Lost was riddled with religious tone and it was obvious it would play some sort of role. Seemed fitting to start here. -Enheduanna: Mesopotamian High Priestess and the modern civilization’s first recorded poet. I created the name after season 1. John explaining backgammon history to Walt spawned the idea that the island may have a link yo the beginning of civilization and maybe even time itself. It was “poetic” and important to add this to my pseudonym. I needed the mother of poetry in modern civilization to match the religious “Father” in my first name. -Schwarzschild: Reference to Karl Schwarzschild and Schwarzschild Black Holes. Smoke monsters, hatches, and curing paralysis doesn’t point to black holes…but the sci-fi elements ran deep and obvious. The wheel moving the island and transporting Ben felt like it got plucked from my imagination. A.E.S.

51 thoughts on “Im sort of confused….”

  1. OH, and is Jacob a god…he sure seems like it, maybe even ‘god’ because of the fact that he is wearing white?

    That would make sense…one side white, and one side black…like Locke said at the beginning of the show…

  2. Oh, and if Jacob is not god, it would make some sense that he could be Jacob from the bible, and his “friend” could be his brother Esau…

  4. Im just saying…being that one man is called Jacob, and is from some ancient time, and has some power, he must be a god of some sort, or at least biblical…
    You know, like that story of Jacob and his brother from the bible…
    The idea of him wearing white would most likely mean that he is a good guy….

    The statue, even though we havent seen the front would most likely be one of the gods, possibly from Egypt…

    I read somewhere something about an anubus, or something…and heard someone say a taweret…I am going to do some research on those two…

  5. I keep reading theories about who the statue is and I have to say that the statue could just be something Lost have made up. It is a ficitional show afterall, so why does the statue have to be anything that’s already established?

    They could have stolen bits from this statue, and bits from another and come up with something that has a whole other meaning.

    Who knows. I don’t think the statue is the answer though.

    As for Jacob – I don’t think he’s God. I think he is someone who likes to manipulate people and play people, and that “Anti-Jacob” is simply trying to stop him.

    The fact that he can’t kill Jacob himself mirrors Ben and Widmore – why can’t they kill each other?

    I’m also confused about the first time we meet Jacob when Ben took Locke to that cabin. Was that Jacob sitting in that chair? Or was it his nemesis? Why would he ask for help?

    Questions questions questions, and a whole 8 months-ish to ponder 🙂

  6. i really dont think that jacob wearing white means hes good. i feel like ive said this a hundred times but, if you say white is good and black is bad. then its redundant i feel. becuase with all the egyptian and greek mythology floating about, as ive said before in egypt, black is a sacred colour, and on the whole represents good.

    at the start of the lates episode, we see jacob, hes in what you could say is robe type clothing. smply wraped round and tied. he also makes his way outside to get the daily catch.
    his friend, well, sort of friend, was also in the same sort of clothin.
    as much as we see of them, its a very primitive looking time. but then we see the statue, in is glory. im guessing they didnt buid it. so who ever populated the island beofre, such as travellers and armys perhaps have uilt the statue. but with what amenities?

    and as far as jacob from the bible goes, and jacob in Lost they have little or no comparisons really.

    x

  9. Oh dear. My internet connection is moving veeeeerrrrry slowly right now. This could get frustrating. Hope not.

    Anyway, yes, I had a few thoughts, ideas, questions… I will try to gather them now since you are actually here! 😉

  10. Please do, I dont know if its the connection or site, but mine is the same…
    I was just getting ready to tell you I wont dip out on you, just be patient please Kimmy

  12. First. Nice tongue in cheek post?!? 🙂

    Second. I haven’t had the mental capacity to read up on all the newish theories and actually have anything much to respond but I finally read a few that did stand out to me and you brought up something that I think to be very important as I have thought about it too, but I have also doubted it’s importance on it being almost simplistic. And that is the idea of “if you could change the past, would you?” (More on that later.)

    Third. Did you end up rewatching all of Season 5? I know you had mentioned wanting to. Wanted to know what stood out.

    Fourth. Hmmm…maybe I should post and then wait a moment. 🙂

  14. 1)Cant talk now…inside of cheek hurts…

    2)”Should” seems to be the more appropriate word, hopefully I will be able to get my theory out…before I here any on the same subject…(Ill be waiting)

    3)Short answer no…Long answer, a few scenes with John Locke aka AntiLocke, I have found some interesting things that may have or have not been caught…(#2I have been avoiding similar/repetative theories as well.

    I always find that the best dissection comes through conversation in comments, instead of 200 people posting similar ideas, and discussing nothing in regards to each others seperate perspectives…Of course “They are coming”, but if the Losties, why and how? Or, “Jacob is god, and Enemy is the devil”, plausable, but instead of listing similar facts on 100 posts, put minds together to cut the duplicate thoughts, and focus on the different details, narrowing down the plausable, from the presumptuous.

    4) you probably did while waiting…

  15. I have no peevs against punctuation in coversation/comments.

    But more in the theory section. I, as we all have speak slang, and talk too much too long without punctuation…and I LOVE using three dots instead of periods or commas…except in my theories, to which I write to everyone, and not just another person in simple conversation…and I am obviously talkative this evening, lol

  17. Laughing.

    Agreed.

    AGREED.

    For a moment (or a few actually) I had the thought that all this ‘either/or’ talk on anyone or anything is a diversion. I have the feeling we viewers and obsessive theorists are the pawns, exactly where we are ‘supposed’ to be right about now…waiting for season 6, disturbed over what might have or might not have ‘changed’, and debating the merits of one good and one evil force at work in the ‘destiny’ of our beloved Losties.

    So since it’s a diversion, shouldn’t I just stop, take a step back and try to think, observe, ‘theorize’ or simply embrace what is happening from a very simple perspective?

    So I have tried that a bit.

    And, I also went back and re-read some of our discussions that inspired your “Combined Efforts” post. WOW. We were talking about some stuff on that one!

    That’s not my main discussion point here though. I’m really interested in the “Simple” stuff, like “if you could, should you?”

  18. Oh you’re so sly…

    I love …

    It’s the most natural way to make it sound like an actual conversation on a discussion board. 🙂 It’s just how it is.

  19. I popped in for a brief good evening, before I am off to my bed to rest.

    Hi kim, I am doing the same as AES, I will be prepared to answer questions, once I post a theory. I am waiting for the repetitive posts to die down, and for when I am feeling better. My brain is not running at peak performance.

    The over-usage of punctuation was a slam at me, no doubt. However, some of my work has been published, so I will consider the source of the comment.

    To answer your question about whether I would change anything in my past, that would be a resounding no!

    Those experiences good and bad have made me the person I am today. I like who I am, and where I am going in life.

    I think you need to be more patient for the answers to come. We were inundated with theories, and finally a few clever people are starting to think outside of the box, and post their thoughts on the finale.

    You’ll definitely be reading AES, and I in the future!

  20. See, they take the whole idea of changing the past, and SOMEHOW, go one step futher at the end of the season.

    Its not a matter of just changing the past, its not even a matter to a certain extent what the consequences would be.

    Sawyer delivers the line so perfect, that its scary almost to hear, “Whats done, is done…”

    This means exactly as we know it does…but without the benefit of timetravel.
    I still, not to open this can of worms, but to smash it open on the floor, believe that changing even the smallest thing, creates not only a seperate overall result to the universe, but more importantly to every character that has any connection whatsoever to what is specifically changing.

    Thats why I feel so hardheaded towards Desmonds bar accident when he got hit with the bat…
    Answer the simple question, what if you went back and got hit with the bat…how would it effect you overall?
    Or even better, if thats possible, take a miniscule, but dramatic, simple injury out of your life in your head…How many different things in your life, even if only for a day or so, and seemingly insignifigant, would it make change, and how many of those little things would it take to create something on a larger scale?

    But I know, why “should”?
    Because as I stated in the post you are refering to, if Jack is doing this to take pain and suffering out of his life, than what he is doing is selfish, ignorant, and plain wrong…
    But what if Jack is doing it to save the Dharma initiative, and all the 815ers, and 316ers, and all in general who suffered or parished on the island.
    I’ll take that a step further in a minute…

  23. Well Dabs, I didn’t take the punctuation comment as a jab at anyone. I don’t think that’s how it was meant, as I don’t see the whole point in talking about people in a negative context as something that is worthwhile on here. (And for the situation where that name-calling, etc. did happen – and was baffling as we all remember! – it was such a downer to the camaraderie of what we can enjoy even when we disagree on a ‘show’ point.) Anyway, I hope you’re not put off by that one!

    I’m not feeling impatient for answers to come, as much as shifting gears on ways to enjoy or savor what we have had to chew on – especially knowing that there’s an end point that is inevitable.

    Slooooow internet, so I’m sure this response is going to fall out of context.

  28. I have a “question” to interrupt your thought that hasn’t posted yet according to my version…

    But if Jack wants to ‘save’ all those people and spare them the pain (like scenarios we have seen in our girl Katie, too) …

    … what if they don’t want saving?

    … what if they WANT that pain because they have come out the other side, even if they died, a ‘better’ person – or as in Charlie’s case where he died for a cause, a person, that he believed in and loved?

  29. Oh, the step further, right…

    It seems the discrpency with assuming that the man in black is bad, and Jacob is good, has to lie from an early assumption that Jacob is good because he is who we know to be the island leader, and presume even more about.
    The other man used Johns body image, to trick/manipulate people into doing what he wanted done, and at this moment, we dont know if it is correct or incorrect by the laws of “good” and “bad”, because we know not his motives.

    We assume Jacob good because he touches people, possibly healing them. We assume the other man bad, because he has not done this that we are aware of.

    We assume, and possibly even wont admit, that the man in black, never forced a hand himself. And whether through appearing as another (Locke), or ones self (assuming that is Jacobs true form) they are performing the same acts of chaos, by showing the different paths to the individuals who are necessary to achieve their goals.

    Hell, if anything, at least MIB didnt go off island (possibly against his will), as we saw Jacob do, to show the Losties their paths…

    …but that doesnt let them off the hook, you can lead a dog to water, but you dont have to force a jealous petty snake’s hand to have him stab the man he worshipped for 35 years to death…you just have to be there to kick him in the fire to make sure he is dead…

  30. Isn’t the first memorable reference to Jacob from Ben calling him a great man? Um, Ben. As in Ben Linus. A bit of a lost soul himself, but he’s got quite the arsenal of manipulation and lying tactics…

    Anyway, I’m not all hung up on that, just rambling sarcastically. 😉

  31. …with that on Jacob and his “friend”, when they speak about the “end” at the beginning of the episode…what if it is “The End” that everyone believes it is?

    What if it was the end of humanity, and not just a few hundred islanders that may or (most likely) may not want saved.
    I would imagine the people that are comfortable with their present would want saved…but a man like Sawyer, who suffered all that he did, why would he want saved….and saved from what?
    Not knowing Juliet? Not seeing her die? Not going to the isalnd and being saved long ago, by finally meeting Cooper/Sawer?

    But what about Claire, or Shannon, or Boone, or any of the others who died senseless deaths, that although they may not want saved now…go back in time and ask them a moment before their deaths for an answer.

    What if Jacob is meant to save the world, and the other man is meant to destroy it (or vice versa)…is that how our cookie would crumble, without a fight?

    Just stand aside, know our roles, and let destiny hack us to a literal death?….

    Or do you try and fix something? Do you step up, and right or wrong, knowing the endgame of the situation, chance it all, break down the walls, and at least TRY to save the world…I am sure there is at least one person who deserves being saved, and may actually want it as well.

    Yeah…when you see much of this copied and pasted in my theory…blame your impatient self, lol…
    ;]

  32. I just read your newest comment via my inbox, so I know we are simoposting. I’m going to post this anyway…sorry it’s out of order!

    —

    Where were you going with the Jack trying to change things for the greater good though?

    Because in my mind, there is actually a parallel between Jack attempting to change things for the greater good (and it having ramifications that are actually ‘bad’ depending on who you might ask) and what you just brought up about Jacob and MIB.

    We don’t know WHY MIB wanted to kill Jacob. But we know that they disagreed on something pretty fundamental. Much like the “to change or not to change” camps would (and do) play out…

    And so that disagreement perpetuated a series of actions on BOTH of their parts…Jacob aligning his moves, his people…and MIB going to his great lengths to finally kill Jacob, which he believed would serve some sort of purpose.

  33. We’re obviously talking about the same thing, just in a non-linear way. 🙂

    So for Seasons 1-4, so many of the conversations I would have about Lost had to do with the basic (yet wonderfully intriguing) it’s called “LOST” and one of the main questions is “Where are we?” mirrored against “It’s all irony. The show is about people being found – It’s all about redemption…etc.”

    It’s as if part of the ‘answer’ to “should we?” was witnessed already. I know I am making this very, very simple and plain. Just remember, I’m trying things out from new angles. By no means do I think anything is solved….I just think we are going back to the start or the beginning somehow.

    I very well might have not made any sense on this comment. Hope I get a “do-over” if need be. 🙂

  34. Ah, but redemption isnt about being found….or saved…but about saving yourself.

    Its a greedy word in general.

    You may repent, and move foreward with redemption, but its 99 out of 100 times for your sake, not someone elses.

    Your question earlier on Jack…

    We dont really know what the hell is going through Jack’s mind. We know it is partly about himself, but even through all the booze, pills, and halucinations…Jack went back to the island not for himself, but for everyone else.
    His, and the others guilt haunted them. They knew the mistakes that were made, ala leaving the island, but they also know that they are being told that they can return to help mend those mistakes.

    They used excuses to return to the island, that were directed at the best interest of themselves. But at the same time, you can tell in the characters faces, that it is more than that.
    There is more to Jack going back to the island than just for Jack.
    It was Lockes death that finally broke him, and to this day, Jack doesnt even know that “John” is up and about on the lost island.

  35. This is moving so slowly tonight. It’s almost not worth it.

    I really want to hear you play out the consequences of what COULD happen if … well, if any of the things you are thinking about could come ot pass.

    I think it’s an interesting twist the way you bring up, “what if there is one person?” because I think the “greater good” is what Jack wants to believe is his cause. The ultimate way that becomes ironic is: “what if that one person you are saving is yourself?”

    I know we’re not just dissecting Jack here, because it looks like we both see the same thing with Jacob and MIB. We just have much less information about their character, motives, etc. (That’s where re-watching the episodes become fun, to see where ‘they’ or maybe the MIB ‘appear’.)

  38. I would dissect Jack, except that Jack takes more twists and turns than anyone else, its hard what he will do from minute to minute.

    He is still set up from the start, to be the ultimate hero…or the ultimate dope, even more than John is.

    Oh, two more things…the greater good, is only great for the people it ends up being good to…

    and I love irony, so that one person being Jack, or whoever is trying to change the past during different situations, is ultimatly going to end up being the “bad guy” in the story.
    At this moment, the only label we canput on anybody is “?” at this point.
    I know I answered some questions in a post shortly after the finale “Lost and Found”, but the characters stories are the most beautiful part of the show, something that no history book, or even the bible could tell us, even if it followed word for word next season.
    Because we are now at an understanding, to me, on many different levels, that nobody is/was who we think/thought they are/were originally…and many, know themselves least of all.

  39. Lol, poetic…

    yeah, I dont mean to continue the age old argument regarding the “C” word (not that one, get your mind out of the gutter Kim), but it still holds an undeniable importance, again, on many levels that have and will continue to be a key plot device on this show.

  40. AES – wish I could have made this work longer tonight. We’re only scratching the surface of the subject because the implications are the “fun” part. It’s not that I don’t want to know the tie in to Egyptian beliefs…or what Smokey is…or what caused the child-bearing problems…or who the Others are…or where Richard came from…or when the cabin came to be…

    But the mysteries pale in comparison to the characters, their intertwined lives, their motivations and behaviors and such that ultimately put them right into very same scenario of the perceived ‘sides’ we have between Jacob and MIB. We WANT to think that we KNOW what they are about…it makes it easier and even ‘safer’ in a way, because then they can be ‘bad’ or ‘wrong’ and we can be ‘good’ and ‘right’. (Wow, can you tell that I recently watched “The Reader”?)

    Anyway…I’m going on about human behavior stuff. That’s the interesting part of this….and all the clues and ‘double-meanings’ that the writers have given us along the way set on this island…good times.

  41. Oh slow simoposting again, I see. 🙂

    I must head out – my sickness still has a bit of a hold on me so some NyQuil induced rest is needed. It’s been fun and I am looking forward to more on this. I know it’s not ‘solving’ anything…or even theorizing on much…so thanks for humoring me in the discussion.

  42. “Seaward” – one of the funniest subtleties from the late, great Arrested Development.

    Anyway, I know you are standing by change. I think you should! It’s worth discussing and developing possibilities for what could happen. If anything, like you have said, in those discussions, we debate the essence of the themes, regardless of the outcome. (At least, whether they “change it or not” is not for me a make or break situation on how i think about the show. That’s what I mean by ‘regardless of the outcome.’)

  44. For the record, I know what I know until otherwise proven wrong. And encourage the mythical elements, because they are the small details into the characters and islands history.

    We see that John wasnt 100% John all the time. But he and Jacob are dead now, so we probably wont see either one of them ever again….can you read sarcasm…cant get italics in comments?

    I said long ago that I KNOW that change will occur. And said long ago, that I KNOW John Locke, yes the dead guy, not the fake one, is the savior of the isalnd…and will stand by it through the end.
    Once the show is over, and I am proven either right or wrong, than I will tell you what I actually WANTed.
    ;]

  45. Ha, continuous simoposting…there ought to be a rule against it…ehh, someone would just find a loophole…lol.

    Goodnight Kim, hopefully we can talk this over some more tomorrow. Good discussion.
    Have a good night.

  46. You are a bit of an “exception to the rule” when I make broad sweeping statements about what people “want” and why. At that point, I am usually (and unfortunately) sounding a lot more arrogant than I intend to sound… and I am saying it about ‘the masses’ as at some point, there is the whole “average” viewer thing and ‘group-think’ dynamic at play in how people perceive and decide what the characters are all about.

    As I have said before, I tend to think a certain way, based on my experiences, beliefs, core values, passions, etc… these all shape and influence what I identify with in other people, or not, and then how I will ultimately make judgments about them (even though I would rather be more forgiving than that sounds).

    So then enter LOST and the idea that we could theorize and debate on who is doing the right thing and why – or better yet, who represents doing the right thing and why…and it’s almost an ethics class wrapped in sci-fi. So, now I am seriously rambling!!!

    Regroup. Okay, all that to say, is that all this discussion about black and white, good vs. evil, who is bad, why they’re bad or why they’ve “messed up” – it’s all going to be interesting to debate since it’s all tied into the core values and experiences of the viewer. It makes for interesting theorizing at the very least.

    And ultimately, if we (not just you and me here, but the collective “we”) can talk about it in a way that hits at some of these things…it takes the pressure off. Unless it is a competition about being “right” or “wrong” – then I step back and let it play itself out. That’s why I like Hurley. 🙂

  47. kimberly, people will form thoughts and make assumptions based upon their own belief systems and life experiences in most cases.

    We all form our own judgements, based upon these criteria, be they right or wrong.

    I would say that the very basis of what is good or bad, as opposed to what we perceive as being good or bad, is being challenged.

    In all likelihood, the writers have and will continue to challenge what we believe to be true, and present us with another view on these perceptions.

    Duality is necessary in order to maintain balance, whether that is in the Universe itself, or with people as individuals.

    I view Lost, as a show that is highlighting these very issues.

    Fortunately, with the final season approaching, we will all find ourselves a little bit right and a little bit wrong at times along the way, based on our own assumptions about the characters, their journey and what it is they are up against.

    That is part of what makes it so exciting for the viewers. We don’t get to decide who will rise and who will fall. But, in the end, we may understand ‘the’ why!

  48. Dabs, sounds like we are saying the same thing between our last two comments. I hope that helps you to understand where I am coming from when I suggest ideas or find particular aspects of the show to be fascinating.

    The difference might be (but then again, it could be semantics) the judgment of what you are saying about “the very basis of what is good or bad” is being challenged, whereas I’m exploring how much individual perception of those very things influence our response and therefore ‘definition’ of it as it relates to the themes or scenarios in the show. We probably agree more than disagree on it, but again, I’m just talking about where I am coming from. I have no expectation for agreement or trying to convince people of things…that would actually be going against the very idea of what I’m talking about.

    I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with how you described what is happening for us as the viewers and what makes it exciting. And as you probably know about me, if we get to the place of understanding “the WHY” – even if it involves things I wouldn’t necessarily “want” to see happen – I will be thrilled!

  49. lol kimberly, to be honest with you, I wasn’t sure of what it was you were really getting at.

    For what it’s worth, the themes and scenarios are tantamount in understanding at any given moment, how it impacts the characters, their reactions, and choices, in addition to how it impacts the viewers perspective.

    It is a continual journey, for all involved. One which is continually changing, and leading us towards some form of understanding.

    I have no doubt, in the end that the ‘whys’ will be answered in a way, that may still confuse viewers, as it may challenge their own perceptions as to what it all meant. That is also fine with me. As long as it makes people think, which I believe is the entire point!

    In some regard, Lost is an individual journey, holding different meaning and understanding to whomever is viewing. Some will agree, while others will disagree.

    Everyone will end up with their own meanings to apply, but hopefully a little more enlightened and entertained.

    For now, I will give this past season time to fully settle in, continue to read and respond to theories, and write a few of my own. I will be patient for the answers to come. Hopefully, that happens, before the next season begins! lol

  50. Oh Kim, I know what you were getting at…besides, you should know by now I’m pretty thick-skinned on this site.

    I just try to implement my beliefs in regards to your comment, because it is an example of what you are saying in regards to people KNOWING things.

    I am not necesarily on the fence about some of the “good” and “bad”, “right” and “wrong”…but lets just say I bought a sledghammer yesterday, and plan on smashing the fence to pieces over the course of the next few months.

    I dont want a hiding place at this point, and have made my decisions, right or wrong, and plan on letting my ideas for season 6 hang out soon…at least the start of them.

    I do understand everyones reasoning for being on the fence…but dont get too comfy.

    I understand being confused right now, and urge a wise decision. Just remember, the very thing we are talking about is about the idea that there is more than white and black, good and bad, even right and wrong.

    I am all for “us/we” collectivly joining forces for the tough issues, its the only way “we” will gain anything from the show.

    “We” have been there for the bad…the agruing, the degrading, the senselessness here, as on the show.
    But “we” have also been there for the good. The debates that are groundbreaking. Have you ever seen someone spend their heart and soul on a theory, making it perfect, then at the hands of another, through a hundred comments later the theorist stepping back and saying “Wow, that makes a lot/more sense” or “I have never thought of it that way”?

    Of course you have, we all have been on both sides, and by allowing ourselves to
    accept others ideas, is allowing ourselves to accept others beliefs.
    Its like selling a crucifix to an atheist, or a porno to the pope…not likely, very difficult, but if you can, you accomplish something that very few are able to do.
    Make another human being that does not agree with not your comments or suggestions, but your beliefs, values, and even your faith/religion/or science. That is something that is a miracle in its own, making or taking away faith, something that as Jacob does in a way, doesnt directly force a hand in terms of making someone do anything, but allows a different perspective and outlook on something that they have been so decisive and stubborn on previously.

    Sorry, you know I am a rambler as well, but I hoped I have given at least some light into by brain, and what I have coming.

    And Dabsi…

    “Duality is necessary in order to maintain balance, whether that is in the Universe itself, or with people as individuals”

    …couldnt have said it better myself.

  51. Look out. Big long comment warning!!!

    I’m not totally on the fence, don’t get me wrong. I just don’t necessarily want to argue about it, in a forum that isn’t totally conducive to arguing things that hit such a personal nerve. That’s why I’m babbling on about how personal perception is so critical to the conversation about ‘deciding’ who is right and wrong or what side is bad and what side is good. It could get borderline disastrous – and at the very least, quite frustrating. Lets say I stake my claim to what I think is happening, why I think it is the way that it is, using reasons and experiential logic that flat out just don’t completely translate into this particular setting for ‘conversation’ and then because it IS so personal, that people go and get all offended. I’m wary of that and can get easily annoyed when tone doesn’t translate well here, nor does knowing the whole person you are interacting with. I think at times it can work, and at other times, it can’t. (But again, that’s my opinion, based on my reading, responses, etc. on the site.)

    Here’s my personal aside: The ironic thing about me, is that in any other context, anyone who knows me for more than 10 minutes and gets me actually talking about something I slightly care about knows a couple things: 1) 99.9% of the time, I have an opinion and I am pretty apt to share it. 2) A good healthy debate is something I enjoy. 3) This is bonus: I am pretty persuasive.

    This site, better yet, this show, allows for a platform for me to have some opinions, preferences, etc. one week and for them to be “smashed to pieces” the next. It’s enjoyable and slow-paced where the ideas and answers take time to prove and disprove, and ‘simple’ is not really an option.

    It’s quite possible that all of this could bother you as a theorist, a researcher, a learner…I could see why you would want me to pick a side. And I definitely understand what you have written about the art and act of persuasion. (Also track with you on the ideas that can be propelled and generated when discussion happens and ideas are expanded.) Even if for some reason, you think I’m not.

    I just don’t want it to become so rigid in the discussion – whether it is about proof or lack of, or intellect or lack of – that the lines are so clearly drawn that the ‘arguments’ don’t even resemble the blurred lines epitomized by the show. I guess I see this possible as so much of the discussion points become “is Jacob good?” “is Jack the hero or neurotic and annoying?” etc. etc. I think it’s possible to have an open mind AND an opinion on many of the issues we have been presented with and for it to count for something.

    That’s why I liked this post in the first place, because those ‘answers’ to your questions are not quick and simple.

    And honestly you and Dabs both keep telling me to be patient…
    what am I saying that makes you think I’m so impatient for answers? My whole point of all of this conversation has been that I am enjoying the journey, the discussion itself! 🙂

    Hope this can be ‘interpreted’ well enough to know that I am here to engage in conversations…and am very much into reading theories and ideas that inspire and excite me to think, consider, feel, “connect the dots”, and enjoy the ride.

    I’ll be done now. I’m sure it sounds like I ranted. Oh well.

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