The cabin who does it belong to? (what do we know about it)
Ok so the cabin is one of those mysterys of lost who does it belong to who built it how long has it been their and most importantly who has been living in it. Well im going to try and shred a little bit of light on the situation and throw in a few of my thoughts for good measure.
Firstly what do we know about the cabin, its a wood built structure in the middle of the jungle and the style of the arcutecture is roughly the mid 1800s its purpose by the look of things is a artists getaway (from all the painting supplies and paintings insided it) and it was built by horace and is the supposed home of jacob.
So lets break this down horace built it we only think this because locke has a dream about horace then found blueprints with a map drawn on it in his jumpsuit in the mass grave. Could horace not have found the cabin himself oneday and on inspection inside he found the blueprints then drew a map of its location on them so he knew how to get back. Dont you think it would be dangerous for the leader of the dharmas to be out on his own all day building a cabin in hostile terrotory plus dont you think its more than a one man job if he did build it who helped him. Is horace a artist or his wife for that matter. I dont no if horace built it or not but looking at the facts it looks unlikely.
Right next i will go throught the timeline of the cabin.
1st visit
The first time we see the cabin is when ben takes locke to see jacob they cross a line of ash and go inside the cabin. Ben tells locke that jacob is sat in the chair locke gets angry and doesnt beleve ben so goes to leave but on his exit he hears someone say help me. He confronts ben about this who says he never heard anything then the cabin starts to shake and things start to be thrown around the room smashing a window and knocking over the lamp causing a liitle fire, then for a split second locke sees someone sat in a chair presumably jacob
2nd visit
The second time we see the cabin is when Hurley is following Jin, Bernard and Sawyer. He starts to lag behind them and the cabin suddenly appears in front of him. Hurley walks up to the cabin and looks through the broken window, when he looks inside he sees Christian Shepard sat in the rocking chair then suddenly a eye appears on the other side of the hole hurley was looking through. Hurley freaks out and turns and runs but a few feet later the cabin suddenly appears in front of him again, as the door of the cabin opens hurley shuts his eyes and wishes the cabin away when he opens them again the cabin is gone.
3rd visit
locke goes to try and find the cabin so he can talk to jacob he goes back to where ben first took him but cannot find the cabin, he found the line of ash that surrounded the cabin but nothing else.
4th visit
When locke does find the cabin he does this by following a map on some blueprints found in horaces jumpsuit in the dharma mass grave. Locke enters the cabin and finds Christian Shepard inside, when locke asks if he is jacob christian says that he speaks on jacobs behalf. Locke then sees Claire sat in the corner of the cabin when he asks about this Christian pulls his attention back to why he came to find jacob. When locke leaves the cabin he tells Ben and Hurley that they have to move the island
5th visit
The last time we see the cabin is when Ilana and her group go their looking for someone when they approach the cabin they notice the line of ash surrounding the cabin has been broken. Ilana enters the cabin and finds it empty, when she does a search she finds a bit of cloth pinned to the wall with jacobs knife on this cloth is a image of the statue. Ilana speaks to Bram and says that whoever they were seeking was not in the cabin and that someone has been using it she then orders the rest of her group to burn the cabin down and they leave it in flames
OK so here are my thoughts about all this i think we have 4 candadates for who the cabin belongs too 1)Horace, 2)Jacob, 3)MIB and 4)Richard.
1) i dont beleve it belongs to Horace i dont think he had the time or energy to built it especially on his own i beleve he found it one day and claimed it as his own taking the blueprints so he could draw a map on them.
2)i think we can rule it out belonging to jacob we know he lives under the statue.
3) i also dont think it belongs to MIB although i do beleve his sprit or essence got trapped their at some point in time and it acted like a prison for him with the ash circle keeping him trapped.
4)So the only candadate left is Richard, Why do i beleve it belongs to him 3 reasons 1) he must have shown ben that that is where jacob lives, 2) ilanas group go their looking for someone and dont find the person when the turn up at the statue they ask for Richard and not Jacob as if they went to the cabin looking for Richard. 3) Richard could of used the cabin for painting we know he enjoys making ships in bottles why cant he be interested in art and all.
Now lets try and figure out the whole MIB, prison, circle of ash and Christian puzzle about the cabin. I beleve that at somepoint in the past Jacob found a way to seperate MIB from his body and used the cabin as a prison for him with the circle of ash keeping him trapped inside. When locke has his first visit and hears him MIB realises he can use him as his loophole and have a chance of getting a solid form again and sets about a plan.The second time we see the cabin with hurley and when he looks inside we see Christian and someone else i beleve to be MIB making a deal with Christian telling him to convince Locke that he has to leave the island and die knowing that when his body is brought back to the island he can take on his form. What this deal is i dont no but i am sure it involves Claire and that is why we see her in the cabin.
Just before Hurley closes his eyes to wish the cabin away we see the about to open i beleve this is MIB making his escape from his prison he has been trapped in, Hurley moved the cabin out of the circle of ash so MIB was no longer trapped we no the cabin moved because when Locke went on his 2nd visit to the cabin he found the circle of ash but no cabin. I dont no how it moved back inside the circle of ash for when ilana and her group got their but im hoping you guys can help me out on that one.
Another issue im having trouble with is Jacobs knife in the cabin. It must have been put their by Jacob himself and after Lockes 2nd visit, did he break the circle of ash so he could get to the cabin just like it was holding MIB in was it also holding Jacob out. We no that MIB had already escaped by this point but did jacob know this if he didnt he was risking a lot to put his piece of cloth in the cabin.
Well i think thats about it all now feel free to do your worst with it.
Samson, very good analysis. The part that really got to me was your theory that MIB, Christian, Claire (or someone posing as them) planted the idea in Locke’s mind that he had to move the island, die, and come back, thus enabling MIB to take over Locke’s body. Once again, Locke is the unwilling dupe taken advantage of for someone else’s scheme.
Great topic Samson! I love your thoughts and ideas on this. I will try to add some of my own.
I do not believe the cabin was Horace’s or, that he even had a hand in building it. Jacob is/was the leader of ‘the others’, and never had anything to do with (that we know of) Dharma. In my mind that rules out Horace. What I do think is, that Horace was a vision in Locke’s dream telling Locke where to look for the map. I think Jacob’s nemesis may have been responsible.
I like the idea that it could have been Richard’s cabin, but he always seemed to be close to ‘the others’, and resided in tents. Having said that, it might not rule him out.
I doubt Richard ever told Ben that Jacob was in the cabin, because knowing Ben he’d have gone on his own, previously. I think at the time of MBTC, it was Richard who likely told Ben to take Locke there.
I re-watched the episodes of Locke, Ben, etc., visiting the cabin on various occasions. I noted that nobody broke the ‘circle of ash’ that I could see. At least, not Locke anyway. Ben, who knows!
When Hurley sees the cabin, he kept saying repeatedly, “It’s not there, it’s not there”, until it disappeared. I think it is plausible that Hurley did move it.
But, I also think it’s possible that the cabin might move around on its own, as nobody had ever encountered it before. Also, it was exactly where Ilana and Bram knew it to be from their information about it. I think they were looking for either Jacob or Richard there, but you never know.
Jacob lived in the statue when The Black Rock sailed to ‘the island’. We don’t know when the statue was destroyed, but it is logical that Jacob took up living in the foot. He could have resided in the cabin for a brief time though.
The person trapped inside of the cabin i believe was Jacob’s nemesis IMO, and he escaped either by the visit from Ben & Locke or from Hurley’s sighting. I’m not sure which.
The fact that Locke was asked to help him, indicates to me, that it wasn’t Jacob. I believe the ‘ash’ was to keep him in, not keep others out.
Really good thoughts, Samson!
This is excellent; a masterful theory. I have had thoughts of the cabin myself. You did an impeccable job of following the on screen action of the cabin to deduce the various outcomes, i.e. the ash being disturbed. You’re idea about MIB making a deal with Christian is very interesting. I still believe that thing is not Christian, but I love your idea.
So do you think the cabin is used for something other than trapping spirits?
Ok I didn’t read it all. I kind of read some then my mind wanders onto my own thoughts.
I got to the part about the ash. And a theory popped into my head. We know there is ash around the cabin and it counts for something. It has some sort of hold on it for some reason. Now if it really had a hold on it then why when Locke comes back at one point is it gone but the ash isn’t broken?
Now we also know that lost is all about time, time travel, and loops. So lets analyze what has happened. The cabins built, the cabins used(more than once), then the cabins burnt to the ground. So now we have a pile of ash surrounded by a circle of ash.
Now isn’t that just odd? So maybe in the stream of things, at one point the cabin was built burned and the ashed was left in a circle. Then there was a time loop, the ash stayed for some reason and the cabin was built again….inside the ash this time. and so on. So now we have a loop? Almost a paradox.
Thats very lost of itself.
Thanks for the posts people i love feeling when you wait for your first responces to a theory to see if people think it is good or bad and looking at what yous have said im quite pleased
surago that is a interesting idea but i dont beleve that to be the case the ash is too neat and tidy to have been left over from the cabin fire it looks like its been placed their as a barrier.
dabs thanks for agreeing with me about it not being built by horace when you look at the facts it does look unlikely,
Sorry to disagree with you on this part but i dont beleve the cabin is always moving the only time i beleve it moved is when hurley saw it how it got back to where it started for ilana and co im not sure of yet thats why i put this up here so i can get help from others to figure it out.
While i was at work today i had a thought when jacob met ilana off island he must off told her where to go on the island. He must off give her directions to the cabin, why would he want her to go their unless he was planning to do something with MIB while he was trapped in the cabin maybe he was going to meet her their or get richard to meet her their and do something with lockes body like place his sprit in it so he can kill him properly. Maybe being seperated from his physical form was his own doing to protect himself and jacob trapped him in the cabin, when jacob turned up at the cabin to meet her he realised MIB had escaped so he left the piece off cloth stuck to the wall so ilana knew to meet him at the statue so they can make a new plan.
Also dabs about Richard telling Ben to take Locke to the cabin i dont beleve this either i beleve Ben genually beleved Jacob lived their and Richard used to do the whole talking to a empty chair routine in front of Ben to keep him quiet about always wanting to speak to Jacob and when he did this infront of Locke and Locke heard something Ben tried to kill Locke out of jealousy because all the times he had been with Richard Ben heard nothing and on Lockes first visit he did so Ben thought Jacob was speaking directly to Locke like he thought he seen Jacob do many a times with Richard.
imisscharlie yes i also beleve Locke has just been a pawn in MIBs plan all along as do i with a lot of other big names in the show they are all just little puppets and Jacob and MIB are the puppeteers but i dont beleve MIB started using locke in his plan until he first saw him in the cabin on his first visit
Banlinus your post has just appeared so i will try and give you a responce but firsty thanks for the good feedback.
i dont no what to make off Christian i first thought it could of been MIB but then i thought we seen him really early on in lost and i dont beleve MIB escaped from his prison till Hurley moved the cabin, so im not really sure what he is he cant be alive in the sence that the losties are because he appeared on the boat to Michael before it blew up then down the well to Locke so i guess he is a manifest but of who and by who i dont no.
As for the cabin being used for another use apart from trapping sprits i beleve it was the home of Richard before MIB got seperated from his body maybe Richard had a part to play in the seperation, and it was a well used home by the look of things (all the painting supplies and other stuff lying around)
Samson, I did have an afterthought about Jacob telling Ilana the exact location of the cabin, and that could be true.
Two thoughts come to mind, for me. Was Ilana looking for Jacob’s Nemesis, Jacob himself or Richard?
It’s unlikely it was Richard, and I think Jacob had been residing in the foot of the statue for some time, so…….
I agree that Hurley did influence the cabin moving, but still wonder if there is another reason why Locke was unable to find it again. hmmm…
The thing that gets me dabs is ilana went to the cabin on jacobs orders, MIB was held prisoner their but she asked to speak to Richard so who was she looking for.
Also i know Jacob resides in the toe of the statue but he must of been to the cabin recently because it is Jacobs knife that is pinning the piece of cloth to the wall which gave me the idea that he went to meet ilana their.
also another quick point Locke found the circle of ash but no cabin in the middle of it which kinda proves Hurley did move it
Samson, I think you are right on all counts! This makes sense to me.
I forgot that the reason Locke didn’t find the cabin was because Hurley had moved it. So, that does make sense now.
I agree Jacob had to have been at the cabin at some point to leave the map of where the statue is located.
I am with you on Ilana. I am still puzzled as to who she was looking for.
what do you think about ilana carrying lockes body to the cabin do you think Jacob told her Lockes body would be on the plane and do you think she knew it was MIB taking Lockes form when she was talking to him. Wouldnt you have thought she would of asked Locke what lies in the shadow of the statue seems as thought she has his body in a box yet he is stood in front of her talking
Samson, because of what you just said above, I am leaning more towards that they found the real Locke just like Ilana said.
I think if she knew that, she would ask him. However, maybe if Ilana discovered the real Locke before the Fake Locke appeared, she already knew.
The fact Ilana was on ‘the island’ at Jacob’s request, she must have known that something was up, and needed Locke’s real body to convince Richard, that the other one was fake!
What a mouthful that was! lol
What I find really intriguing is, that Bram asks Ilana if Frank is a candidate! hmmm..
So whos the guy hurley sees while looking through the hole in the cabin? Not Christian, the one who comes up real close? Anyone know? I’m guess It was Hurley. He saw himself.
lol dabs whats with finishing all your posts with hmmmm it sounds like you are sat stroking a goatee as you are saying it.
im not sure about brams question to ilana i remember reading a post by someone that maybe they meant a candidate body for Jacob to take over now that he is dead which i thought was quite clever, but why would they need a pysical body when MIB took on lockes form without using his body unless they need a actucal body on the island to take their form and not just any dead person.
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Surago636 i beleve the eye belonged to MIB and he was on making a deal with Christian in the cabin. If Christian convinced Locke to move the Island and die MIB will give protection to his daughter claire
Samson, actually your avatar depicts what I was doing in hmm… lol No facial hair, though! And, my middle name is Delilah, so watch it! lol
Here is what might be a possibility for Frank being a potential candidate, if that is what Ilana & Bram were referring to. While Jacob’s nemesis needed a dead body (Locke), maybe Jacob himself requires a live body to complete his transformation! Just a random thought!
delilha (insert random plain white Ts joke here) and i thought it was iatchis lol
im not sure about the live body if anything i beleve he mite take over Lockes body laid on the beech why carry it all that way it must be important for something i no you said to show Richard to show how Locke is dead but i beleve after asking the question and getting the answer of Richard she could of just told him and he would of beleved her.
Samson, I am really hoping for it to be Locke. I think it would be awesome to see both of them ‘duking it out’.
However, this has been done to death previously, so they will likely choose some other means. It would be great television, wouldn’t it?
PS: Your jokes are all good with me. Need a haircut?? lol It will look good, but you might lose your strength or something……hahaha lol
Why, Why, Why, Delilah? would you mock my hair cut if anyone needs to get rid of any extra hair i think its you who needs a shave hmmm? lol
yes i too think it would be great telivision to see two lockes 1 good 1 evil battle it out but i too dont think that will happen i beleve it will be locke vs jack in the finale (Their coming) i just dont no wheather Jacob will take on a different form or just come back from the dead with lost you dont have a clue thats why i love this site so we can disscuss these things
on a different note have you any thoughts on why Hurley was able to move the cabin that is really bugging me and i cant come up with any kind of answer
Listen Samson, just because you’re singing Tom Jones songs to me, doesn’t mean I’ll be throwing any of my ‘scanties’ at you! lol I shall get you for that last remark! lol
The writers talked about Hurley’s abilities on how he was able to move the cabin right after the episode aired.
I can’t recall all of the details, but essentially they were saying that because Hurley has the ability to see and communicate with dead people, he has other psychic abilities, and this was a result of his ‘willing’ the cabin away.
Give it a listen to, if you get a chance.
lol Dabs i better watch my back eh?
that sounds interesting about Hurley i will have a search on the net after work tomorrow and get back to you, you have me curious now.
Samson this was a well thought out theory. I’ve actually never considered the issues with the cabin before. I really liked your idea that Jacob seperated the Adversary’s spirit from his body, perhaps he used Smokey to do it.
i think its Rose n her husbands (i wont try spell his name) cabin 🙂
I looked up MAGIC CIRCLES. If you stand in a white circle you are protected from evil. In White Magic black means white so the black ash is used to conjure up ghosts, spirits, demons or ANGELS.
Claire went for a walk every day, maybe she is a white witch the only thing we know about her is that she can do astrology charts. Most of the children have super powers. I think the reason they have super powers is because they are children of super beings.
Another thing, Ben lights the lattern another sign of magic (like lighting the candle before a calling spirits) but he is not a witch so he could not summon anyone in the cabin. Ben’s magic power is telepathy. When imprisoned in the Swan. The door opens and he seemed to be meditating or communicating with someone (the Others or the Dark Man). The Swan was a mini hell.
The eye looked Chinese. I think Dr Chang is still alive or possibly his spirit appeared in the cabin when Hurley visited.
I thought that Hurley disturbed the ash because he was frightened and there was a blonde guy (possibly Sawyer) running past but I have watched all episodes again and I cannot find that bit. STRANGE. Was it Hurely who disturbed the ash? And what does that mean?
I’m sure in the episode ? Series 2 (ie the circle and the beechcraft create a question mark) that there is white ash around the Pearl Station perhaps to keep evil out of that station with all the monitors however the Flame has monitors too and Mikhail (having only one eye) he probably wasn’t very observant. I’m sure the eyes at the start of each episode, the TV monitors, their eyes changing colour, the camera shots from high above are clues that there are Watchers and Doorways and Tunnels in the jungle.
dabs i spent last night searching through lost podcast transcripts and couldnt find the 1 you were refering to, but while i was i got to thinking about what Ben said to Locke about the magic box and that whatever you think off it appears, that sounds a bit like hurley wishing the cabin away and also wishing for food and the food crate appearing.
On another note i was wondering about what people thought about who it was who was with christian in the cabin when Hurley looked in ive put my thoughts down in my theory i was just wondering if people agreed disagreed or what?
Samson, sorry you couldn’t find it. I wish I could be a bit more helpful, but the connection you make between ‘the magic box effect’ applies, only more so in Hurley’s case.
I was torn all along to ‘the eye’ in the cabin. My best guess at this point is, Jacob’s Nemesis. I will eventually explain why I think this is so.
eventually explain dabs does that mean you are nearly finishing a theory
new member here…whats good everybody….i was reading the part about when hurley went to the cabin…coincidently i’m watching that part right now….i freezed on the part when hurley is lookin through the window…to me it looks like mikhal…just my opinion..might want to take a look
sorry…i meant when the eye pops up…it kinda looks like mikhal..i may be wrong..anybody agree
Samson, unfortunately I have been sidetracked by an ‘off-site’ incident that has kept me from finishing watching the episodes. I have a couple of things in the works, but want to get one off. I need to finish the episodes and print off my notes!
“The second time we see the cabin with hurley and when he looks inside we see Christian and someone else i beleve to be MIB making a deal”
This is the mistake ^
I thought the same thing but it is a brown eye that looks out at Hurley, and MIB has blue eyes. Who has brown eyes?
I do however think you are right about Hurley breaking the ash, he was not paying attention and ran away scared.
Print off your notes dabs that’s why your theorys are much more indepth than mine I just search the net till my head is about to explode then write the jibberish down maybe I should start doing that although my other half would start getting more mad than she already does with me researching lost and checking this site
lol Samson, as I research I copy and paste onto a Word document and save it. From there, I write the theory around it on the same document. It saves a lot of time and effort. It is much faster that way, and you can later delete what you don’t want to stay in it!
It will also keep your lovely wife happy!
In this case, as I was watching the episodes, I took hard notes, which I rarely do. that’ll teach me. lol