Who was in the Cabin/ Smoke monster problem/ ash stuff
A few small things that I think should be kept in mind:
The person who was in the cabin dislikes technology. (According to Ben, although I don’t know how he would know that or how much he knows, I still think he’s holding a few secrets that have yet to be revealed, he always seems to know more)
The smoke monster seemed to live in the temple in the past, that is probably what he meant by home, and for some reason, he was thrown out, while these people seem to guard this “fountain of youth”.
When the guy in charge at the temple looked at that paper,ĆĀ he then asked all their names. Is this where all those lists were for? The people that got snatched were the chosen ones who go to guard the temple? I think all their names were written on that paper, Jacob’s final list perhaps? As well as some sort of message. That’s why it was suddenly important to heal Sayid, because he’s somehow important, just like everyone on the list.
One of the stations(the orchid?) was surrounded by some ash or something, was that to keep the monster out?
The “rules” that apply to Jacob/MIB, also seem to apply to Ben/Widmore(or are at least very similar), remember how they can’t kill each other? There’s a game going on here that we’ve never had explained to us, with rules that are established. I mean even the “others”, and what they do was never really explained.
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So, who was in the cabin?
I think it was the MIB, being that the MIB seems to despise life off the island, and humanity in general. Remember how he was talking about how “pitiful” life is off the island to Ben? It would follow that he would hate technology, whereas the real Jacob seems to have no problem going out into the outside world to influence events etc. Also, Jacob’s servants/bodyguards said that “he” hadn’t been there for a long time, and that “someone else has been using it”, it would seem Jacob had been working on that tapestry and living on the beach for quite a while I imagine.
questions: how did Ben know anything about a cabin?
Richard knew just where Jacob was and brought the leader when asked. Why didn’t Ben ever simply ask Richard to bring him to Jacob?
So I conclude, it was probably the MIB who was trapped in the cabin. Which leads us to..
The smoke monster problem. If the MIB is the smoke monster, then he couldn’t have been trapped in that cabin the whole time. But then, the MIB isn’t known as a truthful guy, so why should we believe he is the monster just because he said so anyway? He could just be in charge of him, or be part of him. Maybe he was trapped physically in the cabin, but could project or control the monster outside of it, then someone broke the line and let them get back together.ĆĀ Or maybe there are just other elements that allow him out sometimes, but not always.
Finally, the ash…
I don’t see how we could really accurately guess what it is, but I see a lot of people saying that it could be Jacob, well that would be really surprising, as the temple people as well as Jacobs bodyguards already have it, and they seem to have LOADS of it in the temple, remember they’re making a very large circle. No, I don’ think its Jacob’s ashes. It must have some sort of significance that has yet to be revealed. One idea is that it’s from the statue, all crumbled up, but who knows.
Well, thats all I’ve got.
Let me know what you guys think.
I like this theory a lot.
I agree with some, disagree with others, and you make me ponder the cabin even more.
I like your explanation for MIB in the cabin.
I was one who said the ash could be Jacob…before the abundance of it.
Now it does make sense that it could be something more.
The statue is a great idea…first I heard it used for the ash.
I have always believed that the island itself may be the culprit…the volcano that we here mentioned carrying great importance…what could be more important.
With that in mind…a possible way to KILL the monster…once and for all.
I have been holding on tight that Christian is on Jacobs side…lets pretend otherwise just for a moment.
We know Jack has Daddy issues, and if he did side with Jacob…what a nemesis his father would be…
Everyone assumes MIBs home is the temple…I think the temple is just a pit stop for a golden ticket…a way off the island possibly.
I couldnt agree more on the lists…perfect with my thoughts.
I posted a theory explaining at least an idea of HOW the monster would be the prime candidate for being imprisoned…just below yours on the main page.
Nice thoughts here, very nice thoughts…first theory here, yes?
I made a few at the end of last season, but this is my first one since the new season started. Thanks for your input.
As for Christian, I think he’s just the MIB taking form as someone. Christian is dead. And as Ben said, dead is dead. Christian does seem to play a weird part in allowing the first crash to occur, remember how Locke had to wear his shoes, so as to replicate the same needed conditions for them to get back to the island? I just can’t see how Christian could still be alive for real, esp since he does all these miraculous things like appearing out of nowhere in a cabin or in the well(where that wheel is) to tell Locke what he needs to do, even though the well was completely closed up in that time.
I still think Jacob is the good guy, although I know the lost writers love to trick you into thinking people are bad. I kind of think that its a fight over this temple, and they are the guardians of the “fountain of youth” among other things on the island(time travel, weird random healing). It would explain how some people tend not to age, and why widmore would be so anxious to get back. (although access to the fountain is guarded it seems, or maybe it only heals people who aren’t dead yet, but not make them immortal.
Not sure.
I’ll check out your theory.
The ash was around the cabin. to keep MIB/smokey out.
some time ago, jacob decided to ditch the cabin and go to the foot of the statue. he left the picture as a message for the ajria flight ppl.
Richard told ben that jacob was in his cabin just for the lolz. (or mabye richard didnt know jacob went away)
someone had broke the ash circle. which allowed MIB to stay in the cabin and fool both ben and locke. MIB’s ability allowed him to shapeshift into christan, who is someone who is dead- and more importantly someone who neither of them know.
I like this too, however I do not think that the ash can be from the statue. It would make no sense that mib/ monster can go into the foot of the statue but cannot penetrate a small mound of it’s remenants.
The only thing we know for sure is that Smokey is allergic to that powder. š
The post I am about to make makes references to a post I made in another thread so I’m just going to post that real quick to let everyone in on what I’m thinking:
“Ok so just to clarify, Cabin is built post-incident but before the purge. Thatās about all we can narrow it down to. As for talking about when we know the smoke monster was on the island and about, in the episode āLaFleurā when Richard comes into the camp Horace says, āI wish you had let me know you were coming. We could have turned the fence of for you.ā With which Richard replies, āThat fence may keep other things out, but not us.ā It is implied that he is talking about smokie. In āLeft Behindā the monster is repelled by the sonar fence.
Now back to placing when MIB is imprisoned (for now Iām just assuming that this theory is accurate and Iām running with it). Bear with me for a moment, I realize that this is going to go a little off topic, but Iāll bring it back. There is some debate on when the Purge actually occurred. According to Lockeās dream, Horace states that he has been dead for 12 years. We also know that Horace died during the final gas attack on the island from the episode āThe Man Behind the Curtainā in which we see him hunched over dead on a bench after the attack. This would mean that the purge happened in 1992 (presumably where A.E.S. got this date). However, there are other timeline issues that lead us to believe that it might have happened earlier, most notably the markings on the blast door. Some of these lead us to believe that the incident happened much earlier in the year 1985. I believe that I have an explanation for this inconsistency. In the Lost Dharma Initiative Orientation Kit a copy of āThe Truceā is included which is dated, August 15, 1973. On which, there is an agreement that the Dharma Initiative can only stay on the island for 15 years. It is my theory that the DI got there around 1970, thus making the 15 years end around 1985. At this time the others decided to let the DI know their time was up. Of course being the egotistical people the DI were, they said no. This ended the Truce and sparked a war that went on for 7 years. This war triggered the abandonment of certain stations by the DI of which is referenced on the blast door notations. At the end of this war the others were able to make a final blow, with the help of Ben, by taking over the Tempest.
Now the reason I went through all that is that I think itās possible that when this war was going on, the DI released MIB in an effort to find a new weapon against the others, presumably before the Tempest was created (I believe the Tempest was being built as a weapon to be used against the hostiles, however, they were able to take it over before it could be used). This would be why there is a summoning place in the basement of one of the Dharma houses. This would fit with the timeline.
So in my timeline MIB is out and about in the early 1970ās. He is imprisoned in the mid-70s only to be released somewhere between 1985(when the war started) and 1988(when Rousseauās team arrives). Of course I just hashed this all out in about 40 minutes and hadnāt really thought too much about it before that so there could be some pretty substantial flaws in my thinking so let me know what you think.”
Now on to your topic haha. If the timeline that I have listed above is accurate then Ben would know about the cabin because he was with the DI when they released MIB. Since he knows MIB is no longer there(or so he thinks) he can take Locke there in ‘The Man Behind the Curtain’ and put on a show for Locke to make him stop asking questions. Then much to his surprise shit starts going down and we, as an audience, all think Jacob is there. When in actuality it is MIB/Christian setting the groundwork for his plan to get Locke to go off the island kill himself and get his body back so that MIB can take his form to gain everyone’s trust and lead Ben to kill Jacob.
The post I am about to make makes references to a post I made in another thread so I’m just going to post that real quick to let everyone in on what I’m thinking:
“Ok so just to clarify, Cabin is built post-incident but before the purge. Thatās about all we can narrow it down to. As for talking about when we know the smoke monster was on the island and about, in the episode āLaFleurā when Richard comes into the camp Horace says, āI wish you had let me know you were coming. We could have turned the fence of for you.ā With which Richard replies, āThat fence may keep other things out, but not us.ā It is implied that he is talking about smokie. In āLeft Behindā the monster is repelled by the sonar fence.
Now back to placing when MIB is imprisoned (for now Iām just assuming that this theory is accurate and Iām running with it). Bear with me for a moment, I realize that this is going to go a little off topic, but Iāll bring it back. There is some debate on when the Purge actually occurred. According to Lockeās dream, Horace states that he has been dead for 12 years. We also know that Horace died during the final gas attack on the island from the episode āThe Man Behind the Curtainā in which we see him hunched over dead on a bench after the attack. This would mean that the purge happened in 1992 (presumably where A.E.S. got this date). However, there are other timeline issues that lead us to believe that it might have happened earlier, most notably the markings on the blast door. Some of these lead us to believe that the incident happened much earlier in the year 1985. I believe that I have an explanation for this inconsistency. In the Lost Dharma Initiative Orientation Kit a copy of āThe Truceā is included which is dated, August 15, 1973. On which, there is an agreement that the Dharma Initiative can only stay on the island for 15 years. It is my theory that the DI got there around 1970, thus making the 15 years end around 1985. At this time the others decided to let the DI know their time was up. Of course being the egotistical people the DI were, they said no. This ended the Truce and sparked a war that went on for 7 years. This war triggered the abandonment of certain stations by the DI of which is referenced on the blast door notations. At the end of this war the others were able to make a final blow, with the help of Ben, by taking over the Tempest.
Now the reason I went through all that is that I think itās possible that when this war was going on, the DI released MIB in an effort to find a new weapon against the others, presumably before the Tempest was created (I believe the Tempest was being built as a weapon to be used against the hostiles, however, they were able to take it over before it could be used). This would be why there is a summoning place in the basement of one of the Dharma houses. This would fit with the timeline.
So in my timeline MIB is out and about in the early 1970ās. He is imprisoned in the mid-70s only to be released somewhere between 1985(when the war started) and 1988(when Rousseauās team arrives). Of course I just hashed this all out in about 40 minutes and hadnāt really thought too much about it before that so there could be some pretty substantial flaws in my thinking so let me know what you think.”
Now on to your topic haha. If the timeline that I have listed above is accurate then Ben would know about the cabin because he was with the DI when they released MIB. Since he knows MIB is no longer there(or so he thinks) he can take Locke there in ‘The Man Behind the Curtain’ and put on a show for Locke to make him stop asking questions. Then much to his surprise shit starts going down and we, as an audience, all think Jacob is there. When in actuality it is MIB/Christian setting the groundwork for his plan to get Locke to go off the island kill himself and get his body back so that MIB can take his form to gain everyone’s trust and lead Ben to kill Jacob.
-Benhamine
P.S. Did not mean to post that bigass comment twice.
-Benhamine
(Without previously reading the comments)
I like this theory a lot. It says that MIB isn’t actually Smokie himself, and I couldn’t agree more. I actually just wrote a small theory about it that is currently taking more heat than I would care to mention.
There is no way those are Jacob’s ashes IMO. I’m sorry, but it would require a lot of explaining if it was, not to mention Jacob dying 100 times to supply that amount. The ashes might just be ground up magnetic rock from the island. You’d think magnets would counteract with Smokie’s electomagnetism (if that’s what it is)
I just wanted to remind you that rule Ben and Widmore had wasn’t that they couldn’t/wouldn’t kill each other, it was that they wouldn’t kill eachother’s daughters. That is why Ben was defiant when Widmore’s mercenaries had Alex captured. He did not think they would really kill her since it was an agreement he had with Charles. After Alex is murdered, Ben vows to kill Penny.
Right, there is too much ashes to be the remains of Jacob. And it’s too much ashes to be the remains of the Cabin. And I don’t really feel that it is made from the Statue either, since the Statue in general didn’t seem to offer much protection against MIB/Smokey.
It’s probably made from some stuff that is available in large amounts on the Island, e.g. ground up rocks as Chief proposes, or possibly related to the lava from the volcano somehow.
Benhamine,
I really like your idea about Ben and the Cabin, I mean the dates seem to work, although I’m not sure how they would be able to imprison the MIB and/or smoke monster, maybe its somehow possible.
It makes sense with the way Ben reacted to something actually happening in the cabin. He was mad because he had never seen/spoken to Jacob, and so he shot Locke.
Another angle to this is that things may have changed, remember, many strange things happened between the old story and now, maybe those changes are the reason that some things that seem logically impossible to us are now possible, because the outcome we’re seeing is from a totally different time line than what we watched all these seasons.
Also,
I agree with gk21, It wouldn’t make sense that the monster can be in the statue but not the dust from it. The dust is one of the biggest mysteries to me right now, as I feel that whatever it is, it has to explain a lot about the history of the island, or the nature of the monster.
katietheorizes:”I just wanted to remind you that rule Ben and Widmore had wasnāt that they couldnāt/wouldnāt kill each other, it was that they wouldnāt kill eachotherās daughters. ”
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_rules
BEN: Wake up, Charles.
WIDMORE: I wondered when you were gonna show up. I see you’ve been getting more sun.
BEN: Iraq is lovely this time of year. (pause) When did you start sleeping with a bottle of scotch by the bed?
WIDMORE: When the nightmares started. (pause) Have you come here to kill me, Benjamin?
BEN: We both know I can’t do that.