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MIB isn’t smokey

February 4, 2010 by Chiefof16

Sure, it sounds nuts after what we saw in the premiere, but let’s look at what we’ve ACTUALLY seen.

Once upon a time, Benjamin Linus had control of the smoke monster. If you don’t want to call it “control”, you have to agree he at least summoned it at will. A plug needs pulled and water needs to drain before smokie can be unleashed. I would assume that’s a fact. We’ve only seen this done once, but it’s enough to make me a believer.

So time passes, Ben and Flocke eventually end up at the judging grounds so that Ben can be judged. Ben falls through the floor while Locke looks for a way to get him out. We now know MIB can disappear, or more likely “pass/travel through space and time”. Maybe at that moment, Flocke went to where the smoke monster is summoned, the hidden cave at Ben’s house, and Flocke pulled the drain plug. We have no substantial evidence that MIB became smokie at that moment.

During the season premiere, MIB disappears again. Sure enough, 10 seconds later Smokie comes rolling through the statue entrance. We are led to believe that MIB disappears, becomes smokey, and that he just “appears” at the other side of the island, travels to the foot, and kills Jacob’s bodygaurds. That’s great, but who the hell pulled the plug and summoned him? Himself? I doubt it. Someone had to summon that smoke monster, it was MIB.

When Ben asks MIB what he is, he says “I’m not a what, I’m a who.” (or something along those lines.) When Ben says he’s a monster, he says “Let’s not resort to name calling.” There’s a possibility that MIB is being serious here, and not cynical or condescending.

The line “Sorry you had to see me like that.” might be translated “Sorry you had to see me lose my cool like that. But I had to summon the smoke monster when these pricks started shootin’.”

My idea of Smokie stands as a scientific breakthrough. Water is a definite ingredient to get smokie to work. When the water is drained, something below ground starts happening, and Smokie appears. Water is a conductor of electricity, and obviously Smokie has quite an electrical charge to him to say the least. Smokie’s been referred to as a security system on separate occasions, I think it’s true. Smokie is a technology invented by someone we will meet before this show’s over. MIB isn’t smokie, MIB just knows how to summon it.

It’s a bit “against the grain” right now, I know. But I have yet to see true evidence that MIB is actually the smoke monster ITself.

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86 thoughts on “MIB isn’t smokey”

  2. Sounds logical. I found funny that no one outside the statue saw the smoke monster when it was supposedly going in from the entrance haha..

    unless Carlton Cuse is bullsh*tting us, he blurted out that MiB was the Smoke Monster on Jimmy Kimmel. But who knows, he couldve want us to believe that!

  4. I don’t believe that the plug HAS to be pulled for Smokie to appear. I mean, if MIB is Smokie, or part of Smokie, then he could be connected through some sort of telepathic means.

  5. if you watched the interview with damon and carlton on jimmy kimmel live they announced that john locke or the form he is in now WAS the smoke monster.

  6. Not sure why no one mentioned that they saw Smokey enter the statue, I’ve thought about that too. They probably saw it, there was just no need to show them discussing it.

    and…dammit about the Kimmel thing. Still, if MIB’s smokey why can’t he just become smokey right then and there?

    Smokey needs summoned in order to appear. I doubt there’s a convenient “secondary” way of getting Smokey to work.

    Maybe I’m way wrong, maybe he is summoning himself. That’s stupid though. I already hate the idea that MIB is Flocke, Christian, this person, that person, and the smoke monster all at once. Where’s the fun in that? If he could do all that, what’s his frickin problem?

    I say to MIB, in a Happy Gilmore tone, “What’s your problem?!, you can be anyone you want, multiple entities, you can turn into black smoke that destroys trees and people! Don’t you wanna go home?! then stop whining about it and just go home!!”

  7. I think we have to start trusting the writers at some point and I do think Smokey is MIB. But very interesting point about Ben being able to summon Smokey. Why would MIB come running to Bens aid when MIB seems to only serve his own purpose which is to kill Jacob and get home!

  8. Either I drink WAY more than I’m aware of and I’m losing my memory, or this is my first theory about Smokey in a LONG time.

    Man, I am SO sorry if this is a boring topic Ekolocation. There’s some excellent white smoke monster theories scattered throughout the site that DON’T have anything to back them up with. Enjoy those while I look for logical ways to explain things. It’s very possible I’m wrong with these thoughts, but until I see MIB turn into that thing, I’m skeptical.

    I had no idea about Kimmel’s episode. That puts a damper on things. I’ll just have to work on a theory that explains how the producers lie their asses off.

  9. Chiefof16, you’re not alone in this view. IMO the writers made the idea of Nemesis is Smokey a little too obvious. I like the reasons you state. The writers have lost their touch or are setting us up for something.

  11. I agree in the sense this makes, but disagree due to the fact that I believe that they are not lying.

    This is the season for answers…and I believe that MIB is the monster.

    Good post, its not the grain you are against, its the word of MIB on the show, and the producers immediatley after.

  13. sometime things are simple. not EVERY freaking thing on lost has to be a twist. they aren’t m night shamalan or however you spell his name. sometimes they hint at something, and thats what it is. some people pick up on the hints, the mass audience must be told outright.

    and chief- there is nothing about lost that is boring for me to discuss, just pulling your leg.

  14. It’s extremely disappointing to me that almost EVERY mystery on this island throughout these years now reverts back to MIB somehow. “MIB was in the cabin.” “Christian is MIB.” “Smokie’s MIB.” “Therefore, MIB told Locke to do this, Ben to do that. MIB killed Eko, the pilot. etc.”

    If he’s been this humongous influence “behind the curtains” throughout these last 5 years, this entire show/island basically revolves around him. We didn’t see him until the end of season 5! We still don’t even know his name, or if he has one! I’m starting to feel violated by these writers. Now all attention is on MIB.

    I don’t want to see any other character this entire season. I just want to see what MIB does. He’s obviously all that matters now. He’s insanely powerful apparently. Jacob’s dead, there goes the world.

  15. lol. we dont know if he is christian yet. although it is a strong possibility. and jacob seemed pretty ok with dying. even ben said: i doubt jacob was ever confused…

    he is the smoke monster. weve seen it a lot this show. we havent met jacob till recently either. but you dont seem angry about him.

  17. That’s cause Jacob’s dead. He didn’t even have the ability to communicate with the temple in person for whatever reason. Whatever he’s up to, I’m sure it’s in order, I’m sure the Losties will save the day in Jacob’s name, whatever that might even entail…..

    This show has gone magical on us. Water can bring people back to life now (at least it could at some point). I try to find answers through figuring things out. But now it’s impossible. Next week, we might see a mermaid pop out of the water. Sound impossible? I once thought so too.

    I’m angry at a show on television. Go figure.

  21. hey are you having problems with the site at all? Like having to refresh a bunch of times because the whole page doesn’t appear? I’ve been having issues with the site but i can’t tell if it’s my computer or here…

  22. I had that exact problem a lot yesterday morning. I couldn’t get Achalli’s theory to come up at all.

    Aside from pages not loading all the way, it’s been a little slower than normal too, figured it was just the volume of people.

    No need to worry 🙂

  23. right on. as long as it’s not my computer i can deal.

    I thought it was probably the amount of people on here too. I came on quickly during a commercial break of the show (it was like a compulsive thing, i couldn’t stop myself) and there was 213 guests here LOL

  24. Chief, I like your theory. And let me just say, I used to be a lost fanatic. On Lost Theories I spent a lot of time complaining about the show going to Sci-fi. then after the giant donkey wheel, I quit watching all together. Until this week that is. And I see it coming again– that feeling of being a sheep led to slaughter. Also, this wouldn’t be the first thind DL and CC have lied about. I remember a stauch debate about time-travel and them saying there was no time travel on the island, now look at it. Bottom line is that this show HAD the potential to be one on the all time greats, and it still might, but it’s gonna take a hell of a writing staff to make up for the broken promises, hints, and mysteries of the island. Peace out and happy viewing!

  25. I would be satisfied if there were two smoke monsters – one that the island controls and another that MIB controls. Why can’t they just let us know! I’ve been waiting since Season 1 hahaha

  26. lockeko –

    I actually still enjoy the show. it’s a shame you don’t anymore, but I’m slowly starting to see why that is. It would be different if we had a chance at a theory being right. We don’t, at least not really.

    I’m sure there were people saying 5 minutes into “The incident” that MIB was Smokie. Good for them. By what you’re saying, these producers might be lying anyway. I never kept up with the small stuff, the media. This site and the show itself are where I go for entertainment, and apparently it’s not a good idea to GUESS at anything unless you’re fully-fledged, from all angles into LOST.

    So I see your pain, thanks for droppin in.

  27. Well Cliff, apparently they gave us the answer. You’re expected to believe that MIB can *poof* vanish and become a crazy smoke monster from the other side of the island instantaneously. That’s our answer since the producers said it was.

    About there being two? not sure I can handle that. One is ridiculous as it is.

  28. ouch. chief, those bitter pants look horrible on you 😉

    seriously though, this talk of there being 2 smoke monsters, thats kind of interesting. There were 2 Lockes, why not 2 smoke monsters?

  29. no problem, I just felt like you are in the same place I was a few years back. We want to understand this show and for it to be rational, in some sense. And when the producers blatantly lie about what is happening, it totally ruins any credibility, and makes it ridiculously impossible for anybody to have a theory that explains some aspect of the show. For instance, way back when Micheal was captured, one of the terrible posters on Lost Theories came up with this idea that the foot statue was a dungeon and he was being held hostage there. Needless to say, the poster was severly ridiculed, by myself and others, for his thoughts on the “foot dungeon” as we named it. Now years later we watch and find out it really does have a secret room. I hope you get to a point where you just sit back and enjoy the show. I think I’m finally back to that point. I guess the lesson I learned is that you’ll never know what’s happening in Lost until after the conclusion of the show. I can live with that, I just wish I hadn’t spent so much time trying to figure out things that don’t matter. We argued about what the smoke monster is, about time travel, about who Jacob was, about Nihlism, about religion on the island, about strain theory, about the hatches, about replication, and all this stuff. It didn’t do us any good. The writers still found ways to avoid all of our logical conclusions, often with mystery and intrigue. The show’s not what it once was, maybe it never will live up to our expectations, but I don’t know that it ever really could have. So now I watch what seems to be a modern reincarnation of quantum leap. Oh well, it’s better than HGTV–most of the time

  30. They’ll dive into Smokie more for sure though. Maybe even how Smokie works, how it’s controlled, IF it’s controlled. You’d think they would anyway.

  31. I LOVE this theory! I was sitting there on Tuesday thinking, “well, that’s too easy…” and this would almost make MORE sense because it’s not as obvious. For me, anyway, nothing on Lost has ever been obvious.

    And what about this: If MIB controls the smoke monster, maybe it’s because he was once a living entity that has already died and that somehow plays into his “rules” about not being able to kill Jacob, not being able to cross the ash, etc. Maybe Jacob being alive was somehow preventing him from communicating with the smoke monster, and now that he’s dead things will change.

    I think Jacob will continue to be a huge factor, albeit in a very different way, as a dead entity. I don’t think the Losties will just be “acting in his name”; I think he’ll be very much a participant.

    And I don’t think Ben was ever truly summoning the smoke monster; he might have been communicating, inadvertently, with MIB, who did the releasing. Ben has never really been totally aware of what he was doing; as much as he manipulates others, I think we’ve seen that he is VERY much being manipulated by the island…which would fit a psychological profile of a child with his upbringing…but this has turned into a whole new theory. 🙂

    Anyway,

  32. Bailey – It’s a good bitter believe it or not. If I didn’t care about this show, I’d drop it all and focus on my job.

    It’s totally possible that there are two smoke monsters. Like you said, there’s no reason why there couldn’t be. One would have to be white though because, ya know, the whole balance thing exists in the show, and we can’t have that.

    Lockeko – As frustrated as I am, I know the writers don’t revolve around me, or us theorists at all. They can write whatever they want. Lately it appears they write whatever, period. As you stated, it was easier to theorize when the clues were legitimate, when the show seemed strictly scientific.

    I actually enjoy the sci-fi nature in the show quite a bit. It’s just, the more of it you see, the less chance you have of knowing what the hell is going on. The less chance you have of knowing what’s next, and theorizing sadly becomes stabbing in the dark.

  33. I am writing this on Thursday afternoon and it won’t show till Friday cos admin can’t fix it til then. So if brought up sorry.

    Anyway didn’t the producers at one point in an interview or podcast say that the manifestations of Smokey were projections. Another word’s John’s Soul or Spirit is trapped inside Smokey and the form is projected to it’s necessary place.

    Seems like there are a lot of thing’s going on inside the smoke itself.

  34. I was thinking something similiar last night, because when Locke disapears theres a bug in his place that the bodyguard picks up,(i thought him saying sorry you had to see me like that meant sorry you had to seeme like a bug) and then i was thinking its weird that the others have been aware of smoke monster for a long time they used to summon it so it used to protect them, now all of a sudden they are shocked to see him? Or at least shocked to see him in human form? Or is that the point that hes been their little pet for all this time now he just wants to go home, blah i dunno lol.

  35. I thought it was a bullet that he picked up. Like a crushed/bent bullet. If it was a bug though, then you’re right, that’s what he would have meant when he said it.

    I’m not understanding the others freaking out either. I guess they’re afraid because there’s an imbalance now. Smokey can hurt them now I guess. I still wanna know how Smokey has been summoned lately. Guess MIB summons himself. It just seems too easy though.

  36. Think of smokie as a person, completely autonomous. He is Flocke, in that the energy of the smoke (whatever we find out that is exactly) is bought together to look like Locke. So for Locke to just disappear and be smokie fits, smokie doesn’t need to be called from the other side of the island because he IS wherever any representaion of him is.
    On the summoning, I viewed the pulling the plugs as a phone call of sorts “Could do with your help up here at the barracks please Mr Smokie.” Smokie then comes if and when he wants (Ben says it;s unpredictable). But smokie can decide for himself to appear or not, as an entity with a consciousness I don’t think he is tied down in that way. As a person, you can be called on to do stuff by others, some people have more power over that than others, but you don’t have to wait until summoned to do something you want either. I think smokie is going to turn out like that.

  38. Thanks Bailey, I was someone who really didn’t think they’d make Locke MIB or MIB smokie so I’m having to get my head around what we saw . That was a WHAT moment for me.

  39. I’m not doubting the material that Flocke is made of. But please explain why we don’t see Flocke become the black smoke right then and there. Nothing literally disappears without a trace, even smoke. Why must the smoke come from the entrance of the statue?

    It resides somewhere. It might always be out and about, but I think the smoke comes from a source/home of some kind. The water drain being sort of a “hey smokie, wake up!” type thing? I don’t know about that one. We need to agree to disagree on this one Tas. 🙂

  41. On a seperate note i also found it odd when flocke said to ben about lockes last thoughts as Ben killed him? like MIB has always been in lockes body or mind?

    Maybe that was a bullet i better go rewatch it for a 4th time lol

  43. ok so this is sort of completely unrelated to our discussion on why or why not MiB is the smoke monster but roll with it.

    MiB can take over bodies that are dead on the island. but CAN’T if they are buried underground. Which is why Richard and the others were making such a big deal out of burying people (Alex and Danielle, and that guy Paul we saw get shot back in the 70’s). I have no idea how this ties in to this conversation. and in fact – i’m worried that it might have more to do with why MiB can’t be the smoke monster than why he can…crap.

  44. Alex didn’t get buried so the rule still fits. I think the guy we saw on the beach talking to Jacob was just another dead, unburied guy. The scene with Smokie was shot quite frantically and I need to watch it again, but thought that maybe Smokie doesn’t need to be the big black smoke all the time, but can sneak out and psyche himself up to go kill some people. Bam sound effects and scary monster version??

  45. Im kinda split on it half of me thinks hes definetly smokie, the other half thinks now that MIB is back in control smokie belongs to him to summon.power of the island kind of thing.When flocke and ben come out of the taweret, richard sounds quite panicked “no no no no dont shoot him” maybe Richard knows if shot at smokie will come out?

  47. @Tas – you’re right, Alex didn’t get buried, which was what i was thinking. But i’m now torn because if there is this rule of he can only take over dead people on island, how can he take over the smoke monster…cause the smoke monster isn’t a dead, unburied body…ugh, i’m confused.

  48. Well, that’s kinda the source of my frustration here. I believe Smokie is under his control. But it’s not MIB himself, or a part of MIB.

    If the producers didn’t say anything about MIB being Smokie, I’d be feeling a lot more confident about this theory. I know it’s a stretch, but there’s WAY too much that still needs explained if MIB=Smokie.

  50. I have to say I don’t agree with you, but I like the way you think.

    Especially that last paragraph! Good thoughts there. 🙂

    I understand your disappointment with MIB being the Smoke monster. Everyone has been saying it for a year. I wish it were different. I never liked the idea to begin with.

    But I think it has to do with – what do you call it? – the special effects. (Is it CGI, GCI? I’m sorry, I don’t even know what the letters stand for.)
    It’s probably easier to just have MIB run and hide and suddenly have Smokey appear than to make MIB morph into it.

  51. I haven’t bothered to read all 40 odd comments above, so I don’t know if this has been said or not.

    We all know the smoke monster is fundamentally an electromagnetic phenomenon. If MIB isn’t Smokie, the major flaw there is how the hell did that bullet get bent?

  52. By the way, I don’t think Ben ever had control over the Smoke monster. He summoned it, but then he ran for his life.

    And the “Sorry you had to see like that” line. Assuming you believe MIB and the Smoke are the same thing, looks to me that when he’s “like that” it means he’s in some sort of attack-mode. Like he only turns into Smoke when he feels threatened.

  55. Thought that the bullet hit the wall which is how it got a bit squashed.
    Bailey, I don’t think he takes over smokie, smokie is the character with a consciousness and beliefs and agendas of it’s own. We’ve just seen it primarily in it’s smoke form, but to communicate two ways with people it needs to ‘become’ someone and the guy we’ve been refering to as MIB is just a form of smokie.

  56. oompaloompa,

    LOL If MIB’s reason for ducking behind that pillar and disappearing in thin air is due to a lack of a special effects budget, I’m going to lose all respect for ABC.

    Conortfoley,

    I’m not saying MIB isn’t the same material as Smokie. I’m as clueless to what he is as the next guy.

  58. lol, I know.

    The special effects don’t really bother me, but I’ve seen many times people complain about them so…

    It did seem silly, though, that MIB went one way and Smokey appeared from other place entirely. It came through the entry-way.

  59. oompa,

    Thanks for acknowledging that. Don’t know why some people don’t think that’s a bit odd. I can’t wait till Smokie is explained a bit more.

  60. Well, I must admit I was never a fan of Smokey. I’m not exactly a sci-fi kind of girl. lol
    So I guess that’s why, for me, it’s easier to accept that MIB = Smokey, with no further explanation.

  63. I should accept it too, but I just can’t. I’ve been persistent today trying to get people to see my ways. It sucks with the damn producers going on Kimmel saying what they said. But it still doesn’t seem right to me. Someone summons the damn thing, if MIB was smokie, who’d be able to summon it?

    I’m finally done with this tonight. It’s been a weird one.

  65. If the MIB is Smokey, then one of the lines he says to Jacob in the infamous season 5 finale scene has me confused.

    Referring to people being coming to the island, he says, “They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.”

    Why would [the smoke monster] be so negative towards the fact that people fight and destroy each other, when those destroyed people are essentially tools for him to use against Jacob? (Think Locke)

  66. Not to change the topic of this theory, but can anyone tell me why i cant submit my own theory ive written about 4 and i click submit for review and they never get published?

  67. cappayne – Good point, all I can think is that he wants Jacob to stop so that he wont need the tools to kill Jacob with. Never thought of that though….

    Jenius – I always save first, then click “general, debate, theory, or fun, etc.” towards the bottom of the screen (make sure you’re clicking one of those at least), then hit submit, should show up.

  69. What Capp said….I think way back in the day they did something and when you posted your first theory if would take awhile but after that you should be good…. If I remember correctly

  71. Haha not many people would come out and say they dont think mib is smokey after what we saw.. You’re a brave one!

    Mmm these are some good thoughts but I WONT read too much into it because I’ve always believed MIB is smokey and i refuse to be swayed damn it!

    But you do use some good points on your argument 🙂

  72. Haha not many people would come out and say they dont think mib isnt smokey after what we saw.. You’re a brave one!

    Mmm these are some good thoughts but I WONT read too much into it because I’ve always believed MIB is smokey and i refuse to be swayed damn it!

    But you do use some good points on your argument 🙂

  74. Ok let’s look at this way, if MIB does not equal Smokey, then maybe there is someone over Jacaob’s head and that is what they are setting us up for but I think it would take someone way better than me to come up with a theory about that because I am now set in my ways that writers are starting to make things very obvious and I for one really like it.

  76. Thanks Sawyer Girl. You got your point across the first time, JK.

    If there’s a person above Jacob, it’s a Hanso. We’re definitely gonna hear more about the Hanso family before this is all said and done I would think.

  77. Chief,

    I was pretty surprised when they made it quite clear that MIB was Smokey, but maybe they’re fooling us YET AGAIN. I’d like to think their sneaky tactics are over though.

    I’m thinking, and i’m probably way off here, the Man in black isn’t the smoke monster, hes controlling it somehow. Damon and Carlton confirmed FLocke is the smoke monster on Jimmy Kimmel, no mention of what or who MIB is. After seeing the temple and its wacky inhabitants, not forgetting the ‘fountain of youth’ which YOU PREDICTED!! I can just see MIB being revealed pulling levers just like ‘the man behind the curtain’ in the Wizard of Oz.

    I’m also thinking (my mind is constantly changing though) if i stick with the idea that it was MIB in the cabin (the wierd partially visible ‘help me’ guy), what if the ash ring was to keep him in there, ASWELL as keep the smoke monster from getting to him, when the ash ring was broken the smoke monster got to him and whatever he was (some sort of spirit or something) he became part of it and now has control of it from the inside.

    Those are my thoughts at the moment until next weeks episode throws everything in the air again.

  78. Shepards_flocke,

    Quite a take on the ash ring around the cabin. Therefore the ash is still serving one purpose, but it’s affecting 2 separate entities. I have yet to hear that, but it’s possible all the same.

    Was it confimed that the temple houses the Fountain of Youth? That’s damn interesting. There’s a solid new theory about how the statue relates to Smokie and things. Think it’s by Wesley. Anyway, there’s a hand full of good ideas that are fun to read.

    And I hope you’re right about the “sneaky tactics”, aside from Smokey=MIB of course.

  79. I think the fact that they said Flocke is Smokey is VERY different from saying MiB is Smokey.

    (That’s what they said, right? I don’t watch Kimmel.)

  80. well, the water supposedly gives people life, so not officially ‘the fountain of youth’ i just thought it was funny that you mentioned the fountain of youth previously when venting your frustrations about silly fantasy stuff, and you were right!

    Then again, there are appearing and disappearing visions of dead people, but they’re not ‘ghosts’, there are two different timelines, but they’re not ‘alternate timelines’, according to the producers that is…

    I just wanted to reiterate just so people don’t get confused, they said ‘Locke is the smoke monster’ on Kimmel, no mention of MIB, so there could still be a chance that MIB isn’t smokie exactly.

  81. Well thanks for filling me in. This guy doesn’t watch late night TV.

    I didn’t exactly predict the Fountain of Youth thing…..that was after I saw the episode. 🙁 That’s why I asked if they actually called it that on the Kimmel show. Dammit, I can’t catch a break. It’s all good though.

    Thanks for the vote of confidence anyway.

    About the visions of people…That’s what I thought all along. I figured it was just a different timeline fading in and out from the one we knew. I guess all those visions of people were MIB as well though. Since he can literally disappear ya know?

    Well, I gotta go. Can’t wait for next week. The Super Bowl means nothing compared to LOST this year! (assuming MIB doesn’t=Smokey)

  82. funnily enough, you actually metioned the fountain of youth in my theory from like a month ago, aswell as fairys i think. You were saying how much you’d hate if the show went down that route.

    You were very close about the fountain of youth, so maybe the fairys will come into play soon…

  84. Sheppard’s Flocke – Wow, I guess being cynical pays off sometimes. Thanks.

    SawyerGirl – I’m not putting it past these guys to write anything anymore. They’ve gone magic. We could see fairies or alligators dressed up as clowns and I doubt it would surprise anyone. Flocke can do magic tricks, H2O can bring a dead person to life, we even have a foreign guy that’s too good for the English language. What kind of TV are we watching? I love this show, and yet I bash it. Sorry LOST.

  85. Solost – I’m just now seeing your posts. Something’s wrong with the thread I think (aside from the theory LOL). I’m not seeing quite a few comments that my email says this thread has…..

    You’re probably right about Ben summoning the monster. I keep forgetting that he’s been doing someone’s work all this time.

    And I hope you’re right about what they said on Kimmel, I of course didn’t watch it either. The problem is, everyone’s pretty sure that Flocke is MIB. I try rebelizing and counter-thinking what we’ve been shown, and I’m still not sure I can defend that one.

    If Flocke isn’t MIB, then pretty much all of us are in for a shock.

  86. “When the water is drained, something below ground starts happening, and Smokie appears.”

    A good start at an exercise in reverse engineering! 😉

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