The psychic is not a fraud
He saw something evil unless Clare raised her won (and perhaps it was for HER sake, not Aaron or the worlds … )
THEN someone someone offered to bring his daughter back to life IF he told Clare to adopt Aaron out. Because the deal is similar to the one Dogan made and we have no evidence MIB can do anything off island, it’s likely to be Jacob – maybe because he/she was a candidate and therefore needed to be on the plane to make it to the island.
To keep the deal secret, the told Eko he was a fraud – but her healing WAS a miracle … one best left uninvestigated by the church/Eko.
That could explain why ‘recreating’ 815 didn’t require Aaron returning or a pregnant woman. (Although, I also lean that people were removed from the island to protect them for a period of time. And, seeing ‘Crazy Clare’ as the future of ‘sweet Clare’ – may inspire one to spend $6,000 to keep her and her kid together, I’m open that $6,000 came from someone with a stake in them being together and therefore never coming to the island.)
I can’t remember just now who Dogan was… want to refresh my memory?
I agree with you that the psychic isn’t a fake. As for the rest of it, that remains to be seen. But you may be on to something here đ
Krista, Dogen was the Japanese Temple master who was drowned by Sayid a couple of episodes ago.
The psychic can be a fraud even if his daughter was revived through a miracle. Perhaps Jacob (or MIB) made a deal with the psychic – the psychic told Claire whatever Jacob wanted him to tell her and in return Jacob revived the psychic’s daughter.
OH! Alright I should have known that. Sometimes it’s hard for me to hear the dialogue because my tv at home is messed up so I’ve been forced to watch LOST on a tiny tv while my boyfriend plays Modern Warfare on another tv- loudly đ So not cool.
And that’s true too Jacob has a way of getting people to do things whether they understand it or not. And yes, it is basically the exact same thing, only the psychic was never banished to the island for agreeing to it
Im still sooo undecided if hes a fraud or not but i definately think what happened with Claire shocked him.. If he was a fraud before then he wasnt when she came lol!
Malkin was a psychic…at least through the use of some sort of science stemming from the islands energy.
He told Claire what he needed to tell her. He told her she needed to raise the baby…that is the truth, and it is something that he gained from his ‘ability’…
But when Claire finally talked to him, and went to see him again…he told her to get on 815 and go to LA and give the baby up.
I assume that either Jacob went to see Malkin, and offered him the gift of his daughter life, for the simple action of getting her and Aaron to the island.
I think that the scene that we saw with Eko there was going down around the same time that the time period of Claires visits…
-So Claire goes, Malkin throws her out…
-He contacts her again, saying she needs to raise Aaron herself…
-His daughter drowns, and he is visited by Jacob. Jacob tells him to get Claire on 815, and tells him to lie to Eko (so that he returns on the same flight as well).
-He meets with Claire, giving her the ticket and telling her to be on the plane…
-His daughter is revived by Jacob…
-Eko comes and Malkin lies…saying she was never dead…
-Eko and Claire get on 815…
Nice post waycurious. As small as that scene is now, I think you are right to bring it into the light…a very important series of exchanges between these characters that leads to Claire and Aaron arriving on the island…
Alright, perhaps the psychic was conscience travelling or something.
All of the following people are potential ‘frauds’ from my point of view…
Brother Campbell, Eloise Hawking, Richard Malkin, look at Eko for crying out loud…wear the badge, and people will believe anything you tell them.
These people all represented some sort of spirituality, and by using that, they were able to accomplish things that they wouldnt have without the person being duped by their beliefs in a higher power…
Malkin got Claire, Eko, and Aaron to the island…
Hawking, using a church/place of worship as a stage, got Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun, and Ben to all return to the island…telling they are meant for something more… all while under the roof of gods house.
Even Ben used it to tell a story to Jack about Thomas…in an effort to making him believe in John Lockes words that he must return to the island.
Campbell took Des into the monestary, accepting him…allowing Desmond to have faith himself…then casting him away, right into the hands of Penelope Widmore…
Everything happens for a reason…
These people are the glue that holds society together around the world…preventing chaos, trying to prove that there is a higher power and reason to obey certain rules…sound familiar…?
Wow…I have strayed very far from the original post and do apologize waycurious…
I just feel that you touched on an important aspect of the show…
If Jacob and/or MIB turn out to be nothing more than alchemists or magicians who utilize science in a certain way…does that make their power and efforts any less important…
Again good post…got my wheels turning…
Explain why there is a Husband & Wife waiting for Claire in LA?
Even though its alternate it is still what would have happened if the Island didnt exist from 1977 because of Jughead.
So in 2004 when 815 crashed, the same couple was in LA but th Husband probably leaves her in that reality as well but still, they exist.
An remember when Claire is talking about the psychic while on the Island an she is convinced that Malkin knew all along about the crash & that there wasnt a couple waiting but in fact there was.
I like the Idea of Jacob visiting but I think Malkin freaked out because he saw something but maybe Jacob visited him after that to change his mind, but really whats he going to say to Malkin?
Hey I can save your daughter one day if you do this for me? Idk an it did take awhile for Malkin to convince Claire to actually consider it so there is some time in between. Great post
As odd as it sounds Bingo, Jacob kind of did that with Diogenes, no?
Maybe malling takes money to tell Claude one thing…his daughter drowns, Jacob pays the visit, then he puts Claire on 815, and Lekovitch follows…
Good post indeed…
AES – “These people all represented some sort of spirituality, and by using that, they were able to accomplish things that they wouldnt have without the person being duped by their beliefs in a higher power⌔ i think that is the one sentence to take away from this entire thread. brilliant idea there, very well said! while everyone believes that the show is based on religious hoopla and some characters are from the bible and whatnot, i like the idea that the characters themselves within the show are using religious belief as a way of persuading other characters, much like the authors are using religious ideas to keeps us hooked, and like politicians and such use religious ideas to keep the rest of the world in line in real life. i am not finding the words to express correctly what i’m thinking blahhhh, but yeah totally loving that idea….
as far as the psychic, i think we all pretty much agree that he saw something bad, jacob saved his daughter so he changed his mind. the end
Obsessed…I freakin love that avatar…
Thanks for the response…
I wrote a theory a while back called “The Greatest Theory I have ever seen”…
It played off of that idea, and a little off of the reverse thought…
Some of the idea is based out of a book called “The Illuminati Trilogy”, in which there was a race of superhumans who were part of the ancient island of Atlantis.
Part of the island was destroyed by someone “letting a beast out of its cage”, and the survivors migrated all over the world, all being deeply involved in politics and religion throughout history…using it to always get what they want…
I took that thought, and adapted it to match the situation at hand on Lost.
Look at how many of these people were effected off island by spiritual guides…the number and level of importance of each character is staggering…
Hell, even Rose and Bernard went to Australia to cure Rose…
jack went and saw Achaira in Sri Lanka…
Glad to see you like that idea…
A.E.S: quick question for you before I read the post and comments… Did you purposely spell Dogen’s name as Diogenes?
It just took me by surprise… because shortly before you posted that I was looking up who coined the phase “The only thing constant in life is change.” Reason I was looking it up was because I heard a commercial in the background for some reality TV program on Bravo and I thought, huh… that quote should be used in Lost… Well, it was Diogenes Laertius.
Talk about coincidence… Or, either you have a spy cam in my house! lol!
The eye sees everything elsewhere… … …
Seriously though…sometimes my smart phone isnt so smart…maybe a bit of a peeping tom, but not smart…
That word is to be “Dogen”, and Lekovitch is supposed to be Eko…(how it got Lekovitch from Eko is beyond me…)
AES – not to sound like a super groupy but that theory was the first one i ever read on this site and it’s what made me wanna join haha omg i am such a geek! lol but yeahhh totally loving that idea i’ve actually heard a lot about the Illuminati, havent read that book itself but just stuff on the internet, and i totally love the idea of how you applied it to Lost.
elsewhere – as you know a lot of the names of the characters are names of philosophers and such like Locke, Rousseau… Dogen is the name of a japanese buddhist philosopher, so i think that’s where dogen’s name comes from
lol! Thought that maybe you were being cryptic and possibly had something up your sleeve with the misspelling of the names.
ObsessedWLost: yeah, I’m aware… A.E.S misspelling of Dogen’s name as Diogenes, which just so happens to be a Greek philosopher, was at the same time that I was looking up some totally random info and got back the name Diogenes.
Just freaked me out a bit! But, I’m ok now… Carry on! lol!
I don’t think Malkin was a fraud. I think what Malkin saw was both realities, one where Crazy Claire was not raising Aaron because he was taken away from her, and the blurry thing was Smokey… The other was Claire in the new timeline raising Aaron. I think he may have been confused and scared by what he saw, which is why he originally stopped the reading…
So, I agree that Jacob did save Charlotteâs life and in exchange told Malkin to convince Claire that there was a family in LA to adopt the baby. Which I donât believe there ever was a couple in the original timeline…
So, basically the one reality had to come to fruition before the other could ever be possible. Where in the new timeline there existed a couple who wanted to adopt Claire’s baby but who had conveniently separated. And, Claire would then raise Aaron.
Great post waycurious, and this post can open up a lot of other questions⌠Like if the island is under the water in the new timeline, then did everything go exactly the same for Claire prior to boarding the flight? Seems most lives are somewhat different without the existence of the island⌠But, if Claire was on that flight to give her baby away, then everything must have happened exactly the same for her. Like no adoption of the baby by the Stewardâs (think that was their name) The pens still didnât workâŚ
Also, In the recording that was played for Eko, Charlotte Malkin said “Let John Locke go,” when she woke up during her autopsy. You could also hear the sound of the Whispers.
Wonder if she was talking about real John or not real John?
i just had another thought ( i realllyyyy need to get off this site!!) …. didn’t milken say the baby would be evil or wtvr if he was separated from clair. could this possibly mean seperated from clair, clair goes crazy, aaron reunited with clair via widmore’s sub secret chamber, aaron raised by crazy mother, flocke: “i had a crazy mother.”, aaron=floke. sideways reality, clair never gives aaron up for adobtion, clair raises aaron, aaron grows up with a normal mother, aaron=jacob. and by transitive property jacob=flocke, jacob and flocke both sides of same person, as in aaron, like the devil and angel on your shoulder.
for the record, i dont really believe this, it goes against everything i have said about mib and jacob, however it was an interesting thought and i figured i’d share
I think Dogen’s case was different, Dogen crashd cause he was all intoxicated from partying it up & crashed with his son, Dogen was ok but thats when Jacob came to him and gave him the option.
Maybe Malkin started contacting Claire right after Jacob saves his Daughter but why would her revival take so long?
John Locke was almost revived instantly an if Jacob did touch her than wouldnt that make her special as well?
lekovitch from eko? hahaha! thats killed me!
BiNG: Jacob’s touch is a gift, not sure it makes you otherwise special. Furthermore, I don’t know how he helped Dogan’s son – just that both his and the psychic’s daughter’s recovery was ‘miraculous’, and the latter was curiously timed with is recanting. (So closely, in fact, that Clare and Eko were on the same plane.)
Aside, someone mentioned that perhaps Clare would be ‘less infected-ish’ by Aaron. Maybe Rousseau was, too, by Alex.
obsessedwlost, your comment regarding Aaron being both Jacob and Smokie is excellent and is actually moving on from and developing what I suggested in:
http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/one-crazy-mother/
I like what you are saying and would make sense.
Now in relation to that, what the hell is the ACTUAL reality/timeline??? Thats the interesting bit, the end result of all these various events and consequences.
oWl…I pretty much was leaning towards posting a “what if” post in fun, spawning from the most recent one that I let out pretty much saying the same thing as you right down to the last thought of not really believing it.
If MIb is jacob…and one of them is Aaron…it just makes the most sense to play out like that…
Good thoughts there…I really like the whole idea, but feel that it is too literal when thinking of Jacob and MIB representing 2 different sides.
If this happens as you say…I would not be the least bit surprised.
thanks nacho and aes, i couldnt say that i fully agree with it, i honestly would much rather the show end in another way, like vincent’s dream perhaps haha. but i guess it does make sense right? like how dogen said that there is a scale within each person with a dark and light side and at some point it tips more one way than the other. to me that implies that mib and jacob are one in the same, two sides of the same scale.
I have a problem to understand why the psychic claimed to be a fraud if he wasn’t. I haven’t seen any explanation that holds in my eyes.
My guess would be to keep Eko from having any suspicions of a higher power at play. Malkin wanted Eko to think that she never died, therefor not questioning the situation and getting on the plane.