True Love…. or Paradoxes???
Howdy folks… After the Desmond episode I was a little depressed. For a good moment there I thought we were having a “true love conquers all” moment. But then I started thinking about it a little more. What if it’s not “true love” that is breaking down the walls between universes… what if it’s paradoxes? Things that shouldn’t have even been possible to begin with? If you take a look at these old posts, I discussed some things that were happening last season that I thought were not quite right:
https://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/04/closed-loop-paradoxes/
https://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/faradays-notebook-a-paradox/
Not everything in those posts is accurate and let’s not discuss them here, it’s just backup for what I’m about to propose.
I’m not sure about Charley yet, but Desmond and Daniel’s “rift’s” have to do with things that were in a complex loop. Remember Daniel visited little-girl Charlotte during the “skipping record” events? And Daniel’s notebook and it’s relationship with Desmond… “Desmond Hume is your constant” came from Desmond’s time-shifts after the Swan blew up, and the fact that Eloise pushed Daniel to become a scientist because Daniel visited her before he was born, plotting the creation of the very bomb that split the universes!
Desmond’s own “moments” are related to his “abilites”, first seeing Charlie’s hand with the note about Penny was a part of that story-line where Desmond was seeing the future and saw Charlie dead, and then Charlie CHOSE to die because Desmond thought he had seen it… that’s a classic paradox. Did Desmond see the future, or did Desmond’s belief he saw the future convince Charlie to make it happen? And wasn’t the whole reason Desmond met and pursued Penny was because of his “present” consciousness entered into his “past” mind after the Swan implosion and the time shifts that happened when they went to Widmore’s boat?
And then the entire alternative universe… that’s just one big stinking PARADOX. If the Losties never came to the island and if events never unfolded EXACTLY how they did, they would not have been able to blow up the Swan and sink the island.
Is it possible that rift’s in the fabric of Space-Time created by minor and major paradoxes that the Losties created are in the process of unraveling themselves?
I think it more likely that they did blow up the island, as Daniel said if you could change one thing big enough it would make time jump to a diff track. The ALT line is now probably doing something of what you are talking about and course correcting itself.
You are totally wrong. A branched universe is a way to avoid paradox, not create it. Also Desmond’s flashes did not occur before him meeting Penny so that is not a paradox.
[quote]A branched universe is a way to avoid paradox, not create it.[/quote]
According to what rule book? I can’t remember the exact order of Desmond’s flashes… but I could swear they covered the moment he met Penny… when he was a monk?
AllGoodThings i agree with you about the island sinking, ALT daniel is talking about setting off another bomb, i think this is what whidmoore has instore for desmond (and why realtime desmond was so willing to comply with sayid) to go to the magnetic pockets which will magnify the explosion, we already know smokey dosent like water so if hes submerged will this be the end of him???
” smokey dosent like water so if hes submerged will this be the end of him??? ”
I like this. It (like paradox and infinite alternate time lines make my brain hurt.)
The expandeds all said SLU something to the effect of the plane not crashing … which of course means David existed before Jack got on the plane but never did if 815 crashed (presumeably ‘cuz of something they did).
Their behavior caused the island to NOT sink.
AND caused the death of Jacob (without his nemesis dying simultaneously, as they probably should since MIB needs neo-Jacob with him to leave the island – and WOULD if the island sunk).
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Now the brain-hurting thing.
Since Des’ since +has the unique ability to change things and it was Daniel’s great idea to discharge Jughead … exactly which of the other losties actually HAD to be on the plane? [Locke had to move the island to save everyone … according to whatever is the entity in ‘Jacobs cabin’]
Des – his actions caused the plane to crash … which somehow caused Widmore to not like him so he got on the boat that crashed on the island so he did not turn the key to cause the plane to crash.
I can’t get out of the loop.
Good thing Des can.
No, you are wrong again. Desmond met Penny in a simple flashback, just like all the other characters had.
A branched time line makes it possible to change what a time traveler knows to be the future. In a branched time line you can kill your own mother when she is a child and its no big deal. It does not affect you, as a time traveler.
My head hurts now.
Penelopedean… Are you talking about the “2nd” time Desmond meets Penny? Because I’m pretty sure no one knows what’s going on right now, since the show didn’t reveal what exactly the new reality, or whatever it is, is yet. But you seem to have a lot of time-travel experience, so you’d probably know.
Penelopedean, I’m going to have to rewatch the Desmond episodes now! But you may be right about that… my brain gets foggy on what was flashback or time shift!
And I’m not so sure that what we are seeing is a branched time-line. IF that was true then the visions of the characters in the alternative time-line would probably be “memories”, events that took place BEFORE “present” time. But they are not, many of the visions are from the FUTURE, which suggests to me that the “alternate” time line doesn’t branch out from the moment JugHead blows, or the moment that the plane doesn’t go down. It seems instead to be a construct based on the memories of all of the Losties based on their wishes coming true if the plane had never crashed, but constructed after the “healing” of the 1977/2007 time lines.
Yes, I’m not sure we are seeing a branched time line either. Some believe it is a Matrix situation.
I don’t know about Johnny MneMatrix, I was thinking more…. Dark City or even Brazil.
So do you guys think that the end involves the Island sinking killing all our LOSTIES in Island Time avoiding some catastrophic event in real time (or Alt time or whatever)? I cannot imgine we have to see them all die, that would be awful to carry with you as fans. Do you think if that is the case, then the final scenes will shift to them all being able to live out their lives in the real/At Time? I am calling a therapist as we speak…I am gonna need help getting through this…lol
Poor Daniel. His girl’s a bit of a-aaah …. you know. Best he could do is sloppy seconds after Sawyer (of course, that applies to most of the chickies on the show).
And, if we’re assuming the ‘constant’ is a ‘love’ … we’ll Des seems to be taken in Sidewaysville, too.
The episode where Desmond meets Penny is Catch 22. Seventeenth episode of season 3.