Did Whidmore order the purge?
Pretty self explanitory question. He seems to be in charge right now. I have questioned before if it is actually Locke, that in some way, becomes leader at the wrong time, and somehow is the one to make the order.
But now, I wonder, could have been as easy as Widmore, and why would Ben want him off the island?
Power?
Greed?
Immortality?
Napoleon complex?
i love questions because there can always be more than one answer until proven wrong 🙂 quite possibly he could have.
“You become strong by defying defeat and by turning loss into gain and failure to success.”
That, pooh, is why I tell my other idea, to give both of my angles. And I ask the question itself, to receive all of yours…
AES, I think something happens with Dharma, as a result of young Ben being cured by ‘the others’.
I am also getting the impression young Ben may not return to Dharmaville. There will be ‘hell to pay’.
I think Richard Alpert does NOT like Widmore and Ellie, so is willing to go against them. He has also done this with Ben when Locke comes along.
So, I see where it is likely Richard/Ben use Widmore and Ellie to initiate it. Thus, Widmore’s statement to Ben, that he tricked him into leaving ‘the island’.
I think Richard’s alliance is to Richard and whatever deity he represents, be that Jacob or otherwise. I will go with otherwise for now.
The reason I think Ben wanted Widmore gone, was initially to satisfy Richard!
Remember it was John Locke, and Sawyer who convinced Richard Ben was going to be the leader of ‘the others’ one day! The ‘losties’ caused this, and that is called CHANGE!
But let’s add in a mixture of greed, power, revenge and everything else.
Hmmm…I like that bit about Locke and Sawyer causing change. Was it maybe not supposed to play out like this?
If the losties wouldnt have went back in time, would Charles be the leader?
I admit, maybe Ben was supposed to live, but was he supposed to overthrow Charles, assuming thats how it goes down?
Interesting… maybe he wasn’t supposed to overthrow Charles… which is why he got a tumor, the island was trying to kill him off. But our losties came and saved him (or at least Jack did)… perhaps changing the timeline by saving Ben again… or for the first time depending on how you look at it.
AES, after tonights episode I think there has to be both elements involved. Some are fixed and others are not. But, I can’t quite sort it out in my mind yet.
I wish I could answer your question intelligently, but I can’t right now.
All of this seems to hinge on if it is ‘the losties’ who are causing all of this. (And, it sure looks that way to me).
If ‘the losties’ were not present in the original time line to begin with, then WHO initially brings this about??
Very confusing!
Right!
They are not course correctors, but course manipulators.
Granted, Sayid wouldnt have shot Ben had the Losties not returned. He still would have gone with the others.
But like when Sawyer asks Locke, way back in the season, “Why dont you just go tell yourself not to do it?”
Think about Lockes answer. Yes it had to happen this way? But not because of the end of the world, paradox, or because something would stop him, but because HE NEEDS THIS TO HAPPEN…for himself!
He needs the pain, the suffering that endured. He needs to learn everything he did, in order to do what he is going to do. If he doesnt do it, someone else will right?
Course correction, Lost4815162342 brought this up in another post.
I have recently asked him in questions, to expand and elaborate further…
Ben needs this too. He sets this up! He knows, by sending the Losties off the island, then bringing them back, some will return to 1977, Sayid will shoot him, and everything else.
Without this happeneing, he would not be in control. And if he somehow returns to 1977, he would be almost god like. He would be able to know what was going to happen every important step of the way….
Oh AES, I like that!
Course Manipulators vs. Course Correctors! You got it! And, that would make Desmond, “The Variable”.
Whoa! I think we are onto something with this!
I recall Lost44815162342’s comment. I am sure he’ll be around by tomorrow to provide some more information!
I’m looking forward to it!
Yes, yes, yes! Both Ben & Locke are similar, but dissimilar in many respects.
They do have the awareness to know that they do for the sake of the suffering, because it is what is required!
Love it!
Its genius. It really is. I am assuming its been brought up, or he would have posted it somewhere else.
Makes so much sense.
I love a good ‘why’ question.
And why does it matter what they do, if its going to happen that way regardless?
I cant get over it.
Why does Jack have to save Ben?
Why do the HAVE to take him to the others?
I guess than it will come down to Ben & Locke to do final battle, to see who will reign.
Maybe this is the one thing Ben didn’t count on happening!
Im probably screwing his thought up, Ill shut up and let him handle this when he gets to it.
Good idea, not to get too many thoughts going, but this excites me! Very cool connections!
Excellent question. Could explain part of the conflict. Widmore was in charge when Ben was brought over. Ben becoming hostile is a rule break. It sounded like Widmore wouldn’t be happy with the whole thing – could that be their initial rift?
So in the preview where Ben said he “broke the rules”… You think that means becoming a hostile… breaking the treaty? Very interesting!
i think his rule broken was returning to the island even though he turned the wheel
Maybe turning the wheel is a rule break. Maybe Ben tricked Widmore to turn the wheel (e.g. exile) to protect ‘his people’ or the island or something.
Widmore couldn’t have called for the purge. He’s been looking for the island for 30 years (since he was mentioned in ‘what happened’ in being upset about Ben, we have to assume no sooner than 1977 – though I thought he talked to Locke earlier than that).
Horace said he was dead for 12 (1992).
So … about what have we not been told? Could it be Widmore left to ‘save his people’ from the DHARMA after an earlier dated purge, but time recorrected the events leading to a 1992 purge, and now it’s recorrecting to a 1977 purge? …
More dates … Widmore said he was in charge for 30 yrs – which would bring it to 1947 … but he was just a kid then. (Can we assume Ben was in charge for about that length, too?)
My head’s spinning …
Widmore is definately NOT in charge in September 1954, so 30 years would start in 1955 (?) and end in 1985 (incident in Swan station?) followed by nasty 7 year war between what is left of Widmore’s Dharma and Ben-Richard’s hostiles (?)
So why did ‘the hostiles’ imply it’s important that Charles would not like him taking back in ’77? (I know Richard ‘doesn’t answer to either of them’ – but what is Charles’ role at the time if not ‘leaderish’.