The “Future DI” behind the curtain. *POSSIBLE SPOILER*
In the Orchid orientation video, it is said, ‘For a brief instant the animal will seem to disappear, when in reality”, then the video stops.
In the Pierre Change video, it appears that Daniel is recording a message from Pierre through a ‘pinhole’ to the future (30 years to be exact).
My speculation is that Jacob (who I think is Sawyer) ‘bunny hops’ (couldn’t resist) via the Orchid station to a point pretty far into the future. Now, he couldn’t just hop to 2007 because Ben destroyed the Orchid vault (so Sawyer couldn’t reappear there). So, I think that Daniel tells Pierre that Dharma is going to be wiped out but they have to get it reinstated. In the meantime (the 30+ years that passes while ‘Jacob’ waits for his exit), what happens to Jacob. If I may finish the Orchid orientation message, ‘for a brief instant the ‘animal’ seems to disappear, when in reality’..he exists outside of our dimensions of space and time as we know it, but can communicate with ‘special’ individuals via dreams and hallucinations.’
So, what is so imperative that would make them want the Dharma Initiative to come back and why take such a big risk (assuming Jacob would die if they didn’t)? I think that the time skippers realize that something that has happened on the island will cause humanity to become infertile. I think that the scan that Juliet looked at (of the 26 year old with the 70 year old uterus) is what is going to happen to all women in the future because of something that happens on that island in the past. So, they have to contact the future to warn them or get them to try to find a way to stop it. God Help Us All.
Regarding the nature of the statue and the pyramids.
mmm one bad thing is … sawyer isnt jacob ’cause jacob is a new character
Well set out but a bit far fetched i think. What about Richards apparant agelessness and also the Black Rock. I dont think the ancient civilizations will turn out to be a myth, i think theyll play a big part or at least be a big reaveal in the last season
Nice ideas but I too think this is a bit far fetched.
There is nothing remotely spoilerish about this post. If your theory is a combination of things we’ve seen on the show and your own speculation then it’s not a spoiler.
highbrow, I marked this as a possible spoiler.
HurleyBird had written a post asking if it’s ok to post spoilers as he/she says they’ve got a “kick-butt” theory if it’s ok to do so.
I marked this as a possible spoiler as it contains the rest of what Dr Chang says in the Orchid Orientation Video.
I don’t know if it’s true but if it is it’s a spoiler as I’ve not seen it in the show and until it’s shown in the show it remains a spoiler.
It may not seem much, but some of us have been waiting to see if we’ll ever see the rest of the Orhid Orientation video and what Dr Chang has to say on the matter. To read it in a theory was disapointing to me and I didn’t want anyone else to have that disapointment.
That being said, HurleyBird didn’t make it clear whether or not this is canon, or if he/she was merely theorizing on what Dr Chang said. That’s why I marked it as possible spoiler as I’m not sure if it’s true or not.
Hope that explains it 🙂
Ok, understood. Just to quell your disappointment, he made that up on his own.
Thanks highbrow 🙂
It sounded like he/she knew for sure what was said so didn’t want to take any chances.
Thanks for the heads up 🙂
i’m starting to have a huge problem with this time machine concept on the show (orchid station). do we know if this is just forward time moving or past time moving?
after watching the first episode of the terminator tv series last night, basically what happens is that john sends someone to the past 1967 to build a time machine. in 1999, they use the time machine to move to 2007 i think.
anyway, there would be nothing stopping dharma from doing the same as well, which would allow them to have the upper hand on the hostiles (go back in time or forward into the future to manipulate events). they for one should have seen the purge coming.
maybe that’s exactly jacob’s role. to move through time and periodically appearing to give out instructions based on what he knows. why he would help the hostiles is beyond me. lots of spoilers are circulating around jacob in the last week, one in particular indicating he may be dharma. i suspect the big reveal is coming if all the spoilers are true.
I don’t think they can go forward… if they could then their problems would be much more simple to fix.
The DI do know that the purge is coming. They were told by someone, probably one of the Losties, and that is why Pierre Chang made the DHARMA Booth Video. They know it’s coming. They also know that they cannot escape it.
HurleyBird, I think you present a refreshing take on things, in this theory!
I am not in agreement about Sawyer being Jacob, but that is not to deter from your thoughts, which are very original. I am curious to know why you think Sawyer could be Jacob.
What I like and what appeals to me most is, the idea that there could be a cover-up presently going on, right on ‘the island’. That is a very interesting take!
I haven’t thought through all of the ramifications of that, so I will weigh in later!
highbrow, does make a good point about them not being able to go forward.
Kenny…totally agree about Jacob. He could be anyone. I don’t think that the writers have locked them selves into it having to be any one person at this point. I don’t think that they are going to tell us until s6, so pretend I didn’t say it was Sawyer. But….the writers have said that we haven’t seen him yet (and they have lied in the past) so It could be him. As to the writers casting someone to play Jacob…maybe whoever is pulling the strings in Lost world (maybe Dharma) is doing the same thing. Hey, dude, tell everyone your name is Jacob.
whatistime….I think that Richard is ageless becuase in the future (reinstated Dharma) they use the time machine to pop Richard into key moments in the past. Not really ageless…just another two legged bunny. Why? I don’t know.
highbrow….Yep, you are right. Admin, sorry that you took my post that way. That was just speculation on my part, but I think it will be something to that affect.
I don’t think that they pretended to be ancient egyptians. I think that the ruins and statue are window dressing. If we see ancient ruins an ageless guy running around and an old shipwrecked vessel, we are probably going to think….hey, maybe this was the island Ponce De Leon was looking for. Or…Hey, maybe this is the island the Odysseus landed on that kept him trapped for 15 years. Or…Hey, maybe, this is Atlantis. Plato was right. Which is what I believe they want us to believe. They, when I say that I mean the people behide the curtain. They don’t want us to think. Hey, time travel. Hey, we being played like pawns. Desmond was right. Why the ruse? Believe me. I have absolutely no clue.
username…I pulled something from your comment…..”anyway, there would be nothing stopping dharma from doing the same as well, which would allow them to have the upper hand on the hostiles (go back in time or forward into the future to manipulate events). they for one should have seen the purge coming.” That is EXACTLY my point. They ARE going back in time to manipulate events. That is why I believe the files on the Losties is so extensive. They have been watched very closely for a very long time.
BUT….My feeling is, going to the future is not like going to the past. I have heard time travel used as a device in other shows like this….”To travel to a point in the past is easy because a point in the past is fixed.” WHATEVER HAPPENED, HAPPENED. The past already exist. But going to the future is different. The future doesn’t exist yet. So theoretically if you jumped in a time machine and tried to go to the future, you would have to wait for time to catch up. Because the future hasn’t happeneed. So, let’s say that when you travel either way (to the future of the past) your body is converted to pure energy (which is what Einstein thought would happen if we could shed our physical forms). If you travel in the past that only happens for an instant. If you travel into the future, you become like Jacob, pure energy, waiting around for the future to catch up, to reach the point in time you are traveling to.
Dabs, “highbrow, does make a good point…”
I’m printing this and hanging it in my cubicle.
HurleyBird, my point about the structures and whatnot was that it would be better if they just had nothing there. At least nothing we could see… People come to the island and they see ruins and whatnot… why not have people come to the island and see a plain old island with nothing special going on at all?
I wish I could figure that out. Why the ruse? Why the fake ruins? Why all the manipulation? Aaarrrgghh…..wish I could think of a reason.
I was thinking about all the time skippings. Looking for an answer. They would seem to indicate that the past could be changed, but then again, only because of the FDW, not people’s actions. I say this because the FDW is what caused everyone to come to the island to be there. I mean, black rock, frenchies, drug plane and henry gale. If the flashes hadn’t occurred, then those things would not have been brought to the island. So, all those things happened in the span of 2 to 3 days Lostie time. In those 2 to 3 days, the FDW reaked havoc on the timeline.
I saw a post and can’t find it called “Who was Radzinsky going to call?”. The poster (sorry I can’t credit you, was sincerely trying) brought up the meeting that the Dharma was having over what to do with Sayid. Radzinsky says that if we can’t make a decision, I am going to call Ann Arbor and they will make it for us. I thought that this was a really good observation in that it reminded me of another scene. The one where Jack is in the cage and sees this woman who appears to be important. He asks Tom who she is and Tom says “the sheriff”. Could this be related?
Something else that I would like some input on. I would love to hear people’s thoughts. Please, please because it has been bugging me, related to how frenchies, druggie plane, got to the island. Jughead. According to the show, the gov shows up and starts building a camp and RA is ordered to take care of it. Now, some time later (about a month), there is a flash and our losties end up there. During their time in 54 we didn’t see anyone new come to the island. What if (yes, total speculation but this is part of the fun for me), the gov was trying to find their bomb. They had a sub in the area and when the flash to 54 occurred, the sub was beached on the island. Please just play along. This really is going somewhere. Are new recruits really brought to the island on the sub? We have been led to believe that is the way, but is that really true??? Maybe, the sub is just a prop. If that is the case, then someone KNOWS that Jack, Kate and Hurley should not be there but is allowing it for some reason.
I think I’m starting to hate this show.
🙂
The reference to Ann Arbor was a reference to DHARMA headquarters. That’s where Pierre Chang is from. It’s also where the DeGroots are from. I’m hoping that reference turns into a meeting between we the views and the scientists ultimately behind the DHARMA Initiative.
highbrow, you are a wealth of knowledge! I thought the DI was from Portland as well as the DeGroots! Thanks for that information.
lol highbrow, see I do have many good things to say about you, especially when I think you are dead on. The only thing we truly disagree upon are the ‘time’ elements.
HurleyBird, I am liking the idea more and more of a potential on-island cover-up going on.
I am wondering if this has to do with the fact, that we are supposed to believe that all of these problems occurred in the past.
Much the same, as when ‘the others’ first presented themselves to ‘the losties’ in ragged clothing.
Anyway, I really like this idea. I wrote a theory called, Oh, oh, is it safe….The Bomb that is! Check it out when you get a chance. You might like it.
Man oh Man….i woke up in the middle of the night and a thought just popped into my head that my blow away the whole RA is a time traveler theory. If he is time traveling, how can he exist to a place in the past where the orchid does not exist. 1954……Aaaarggghhh….after all according to my theory of Jacob being a time traveler that is trying to get to the future and waiting for his exit point, the same rules would have to apply to RA, right. I just proved myself wrong. Or at least just wrong that RA is a time traveler. So, proof. RA is not a two legged bunny.
At least I did it to myself.
Richard Alpert could still be a time traveller. The frozen donkey wheel is a time travel device and who knows how long that’s been down there?
Dabs, your compliments mean just that much more to me.
Learning more about Ann Arbor, off island DHARMA and the DeGroots is something that I’m really hoping we get into this season… maybe even tonight! And it’s true you know… Ann Arbor Michigan really IS full of hippies!
highbrow, I always give credit, where credit is do!
HurleyBird, do not despair, because I think for whatever reason, that Richard Alpert can travel through ‘the dimensions’ of the space/time continuum. And, do this in less than conventional ways!
Don’t beat yourself up yet!