The Final Trip

This theory is a result of a discussion AES and I had in his post “Achalli Knows.” This is his theory just as much as it is mine. One of the books that the producers have admitted to as inspiring them is the Illuminatus trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea. And a major plost point in the book may hint at what to expect in the FSW.

The Illuminatus trilogy is a rather lengthy work and takes awhile to get used to its style. What follows is an excerpt from Wikipedia that describes what is hapenning towards the end of the book:

The evil scheme uncovered late in the tale is an attempt to immanentize the eschaton (a catchphrase meaning “bringing about the end of the world” or “creating heaven on earth”, and derived from a quotation in the works of Eric Voegelin). Here it refers to the secret scheme of the American Medical Association, an evil rock-and-roll band, to bring about a mass human sacrifice, the purpose of which is the release of enough “life-energy” to give eternal life to a select group of initiates, including Adolf Hitler. The AMA are four siblings who comprise four of the five mysterious Illuminati Primi. The identity of the fifth remains unknown for much of the trilogy. The first European “Woodstock” festival, held at Ingolstadt, Bavaria, Germany, is the chosen location for the sacrifice of the unwary victims, via the reawakening of hibernating Nazi battalions from the bottom of nearby Lake Totenkopf. The plot is foiled when, with the help of a 50-foot-tall incarnation of the goddess Eris, the four members of the AMA are killed: Wilhelm is killed by the monstrous alien being Yog-Sothoth, Wolfgang is shot by John Dillinger, Winifred is drowned by porpoises, and Werner is trapped in a sinking car.

The major protagonists, now gathered together onboard the submarine, are menaced by the Leviathan, a giant, pyramid-shaped single-cell sea monster that has been growing in size for hundreds of millions of years. The over-the-top nature of this encounter leads some of the characters to question whether they are merely characters in a book. This metafictional note is swiftly rejected (or ignored) as they turn their attention to the monster again. The threat is neutralized by offering up their onboard computer as something for the creature to communicate with to ease its loneliness. Finally, Hagbard Celine reveals himself as the fifth Illuminatus Primus – he has been toying with both sides and playing them off against each other in order to keep balance. He is a representative of the “true” Illuminati, whose aim is to spread the idea that everybody is free to do whatever they want at all times.

The parts to pay attention to in the description from Wikipedia is the number of Illumini Primi and the attempt by the AMA to induce a mass human sacrafice to utilize their life energy. Now, take into account that, counting Desmond, there are five canidates left on the Island. Also, the number 5 is a part of Jack’s tattoos. And there are 5 Illumini Primi in Illuminatus.

So how to apply all of this to Lost? Basically what AES and myself are thinking that will happen in the FSW is this, Desmond and the Losties are all going to die at the same time, most likely by sacraficing themselves, and release the Light that is in them. The released Light will be channeled back to the Island to be utilized by the Losties there to defeat MIB.

Another thing to note that is similar in Illuminatus and Lost is the use of the Celine system. Hagbard Celine developed a system for getting people to join his cause and this system often involved getting the person to a point where the their mind basically shuts down and the body runs on auto pilot. More often than not Hagbard would take the person to a point of near death. Desmond seems to be doing the same thing with the Losties in the FSW and may be doing so for similar reasons.

I know AES has some more to add to this and will leave of here to continue discussion in the comments.

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13 thoughts on “The Final Trip

  1. so u think they will all die in the flash sideways and the life energy will come back to the island???? not arguing with u just wondering why charlie sun and jin/ juliet and all them would sacrafice their lifes again? i think it may be the opposite and the flash sideways is like their second chance. either way cant wait for the show to start tonight.

  2. I This k that they would realize that, although it happened in a different universe, that they were happy for a brief time and it was worth sacraficing themselves for.

  3. i hope u are rite cause them making the flash sideways the ending would be the easy way out……. i think after all we have seen with lost that ending the easy way would be sellling out

  4. This is the conversation (copied from losptpedia and my other theory) between Hurley, Ana Lucia, and Desmond off island…does it sound like they are just going to a concert…or does it sound more like “This plane’s headed for Guam”…?

    “HURLEY: Oh, hey, you didn’t tell me Ana Lucia was gonna be here.
    ANA LUCIA: Do I know you, tubby?
    HURLEY: Oh, no. We never met. Anyways, here’s your money. A hundred twenty-five grand, right?
    ANA LUCIA: Yeah, that’r right. Nice not knowing you.
    HURLEY: She’s not coming with us?
    DESMOND: No, she’s not ready yet.
    HURLEY: I brought you my Camaro. The keys are under the floor mat. Everything else you need’s in the trunk.
    DESMOND: All right, good. . . Um, you know where you’re taking them, yeah?
    HURLEY: Absolutely.
    DESMOND: All right, well, we should get going. [to Sayid} Okay, you’re with him, and you’re with me.
    KATE: What do you mean, I’m with you?
    DESMOND: We . . . are going to a concert. [hands Kate a black dress] Let’s go.”

    I cant help but to think they are going to more than just a concert, as 316 was not just headed to Guam…I cant think of anywhere else they would go other than the island…and the only place where I think that they could possibly exist during a significant “flash”…could possibly be during the turning of the failsafe…or even the opening crash of 815 itself…maybe this time Jack knows why he is in the bamboo bush…It makes sense now that he was almost placed right near the light for a reason.

  5. Also, why would Des not just punch John like he did Ben…why the car?
    Why almost twice?

    Was he trying to finish the job with John then and there…?

    There has to be something more to it…there has to be a catch.

  6. ANd like Hagbard (as you said earlier), Des is not a known candidate/primi, and is off island gathering up the other candidates/primi that we were already aware of to play a role in what was going on.

    Then they all have to fight off monster together.

    Chosen one or not…the story was based partially on “Live Together, Die Alone”…would Kate actually leave Jack or Sawyer at this point…I dont think she would, but who knows…

  7. a.e.s when i read that now it does seem like there is more. but either way guys i always enjoy reading both yours and ahalli insightful theories and post. see ya after the show………..

  8. AES, another significant flash would be the turning of the FDW the first time.

    It wasn’t until our previous conversation that I started to realize Desmond was acting a lot like Hagbard, particularly with the Celine system.

    For years I thought I must be the only one who has read that book and then you and Elsewhere come along and understand everything I was talking about. Hail Eris, all hail Discordia

  9. ar…glad you see what we were trying to show you…

    Achalli…all I can say is thank you, and its a great book, very helpful, or at least seemingly helpful in understanding Lost…

    If you havent read it…all I can say is…read it with a grain of fnord when you have a chance…

  10. A.E.S, linking to a point you made earlier in the thread regarding why Desmond wouldn’t just punch Locke to make him see the past on the Island. I personally don’t think that Desmond wanted him to see it. He wanted him to make the decision based on faith alone because of the strong beliefs he had on the Island. Similar to what another theorist on here sad about there being a flash and being transported to the island, I believe that Desmond is preparing the Losties for the life the other life they’ve lived and by doing so he doesn’t need to merely depend on there memories.

    As a side note, I thought the reason Linus flashed to his Island memories when Desmond repeatedly punched him was because Desmond did the exact same thing on the Island. Perhaps I’m being too vague though?

  11. Good thoughts on Des and Locke…
    But with Ben, it wasnt the island where he punched him, it was the other “off island”…I see your point though.

    On the original post, maybe its not to die and destroy something on the island…maybe it is to get the energy and use it for something off the island…I said early in the season that this was created by MIB, so maybe he needs them to remember to kill him off island…again leaving the possibility of him actually “coming through” John Locke in the FSW…

    sorry…one last crazy thought before “The End”…

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